I think Douglas has been around as a scout and team executive long enough to figure out that Rodgers could become a problem for the Jets next year simply because while Rodgers hasn’t said he wants to retire this year, who says that at one year older, he won’t retire next year. Throw in traded draft picks and the hit on the cap, Carr at 7 years younger though not as talented is a more viable pick up.
Also by getting Carr, Zach’s future with the team will be he has no future with the team. If the Jets get Rodgers, would the Jets be forced to kick in Zach’s fifth year option, next year.
Hopefully by getting Carr, barring injury, the Jets will be stabilizing the teams quarterback situation for at least 3-4 years.
Agree. The draft compensation for Rogers seems to be plummeting, Green Bay wants to move on, Rogers is a problem. When a guy starts talking about retirement a lot, he is actually already retired in his job.
Agreed. It's gone from two first round picks to potentially one second round pick. Sounds as though Green Bay are done, so why would any team give up big draft capital for him? If the Packers want to rid themselves of Rodgers, other teams know that and will wait for it to fall.
I imagine we'll hear about Rodgers intentions through the Pat McAfee show this week. I'm hoping the Jets get the Carr deal done, let's get on with our off-season plan.
David, hey at this rate maybe we should just wait it out. The way this is dragging out maybe the Packers will offer us their #1 pick in this draft just to get rid of him?🤔😂🤣
Honestly I don't care if it's no picks (which it won't be, GB wants something) - Carr is by far the better choice.
What do you think the chances are for the following? -
Sign Carr -- keep Mike White as the backup (sorry Zach) -- TRADE Zach for either a year long supply of russett potatoes or a 6th rounder -- then draft a QB in R5, someone along the mold of a run'n'shoot guy like Hurts, Allen, Jackson (just obviously not that talent level, not at round 5 anyway...)
CGVet58
"But a man's reach should exceed his grasp... or what's a Heaven for?"
Looks like we are on the same page. We basically said the same thing. Maleek Cunningham would be the running QB in this draft. I’m not sure that’s the way to go as a run first QB requires a different offensive scheme to be effective kind of like what the Ravens have for LJ. They were smart to get a backup for him with a similar skill set.
I agree heartily. It's just going on too long. And I wouldn't give up any draft capital for Rodgers, it would be like throwing it away. And all these "experts" who say the Jets are just a QB away from a deep playoff have no idea what they are talking about.
He'd absolutely have to rework that contract before any team would agree to trade for him. Which is why his delays could be putting some teams off considering free agency is around the corner and teams like to know what they're working with.
The problem with being retired is that you fold when there is adversity. The Jets have a rough road ahead., and there will be adversity and challenges, you don’t want a QB that will quit on you.
Hoping to sign Carr this week, if the Jets do, Douglas, Saleh, Hackett & Downing did a Hell of a Sales Job. Could Gase have pulled this off ? I don’t think so .The Saints seem to be the primary competition, and they have been restructuring everyone they can, just to get under the CAP. Restructuring can get you just so far, New Orleans is going to have to cut some folks. The CAP is increasing, but is 2024 the Saints are over the CAP by only 29 million, compared to the Jets at 112 million. I can’t see how the Saints can pay Carr, even with all the CAP gyrations.
Speaking of CAP, 11 million for a Left Tackle is cheap, Duane Brown at LT is great for the Jets. Becton moves to Right Tackle . Mekhi & AVT on the right side , run right all day long. Not sure if one of the top three OT’s can make it to 13. Okay with Schmidtz at 13.
I was working this out last night, even with all the restructures the Saints are still $18 million over the cap. They need to keep restructuring and that just kicks the can down the road. If Carr wants to go somewhere to compete for 4-5 years, then the Saints are risky for him. You can only kick that can so far before you have to start losing players as you say.
It does look like a two horse race between the Saints and Jets.
Wether it’s Carr or Rodgers, once this gets done, it will stop a small group of Jet fans who have been posting this question. Do you think we should be going after Carson Wentz?
Joe Douglas does not know what he is doing ! I keep saying this over and over again. If he is waiting on Rogers then he is worse then I thought he was. So it’s really Jimmy G and one injury away for Wilson again.
We don’t know that’s the goal - really going to pay that much when the team needs more then a QB ? Rogers would never come the Jets anyway - goal should be just go get a QB before it’s too late
I wanted Carr for that reason. But - Rodgers was elite two years ago, and likely would still be at that level when healthy.
Rodgers cash payment is high but his cap number isn't crazy. @david can you fact check me on this?
Why do you think that "Rodgers would never come to the Jets"? He sounds frustrated with how he's been treated in GB. We're a team with an elite defense and top WR talent in Garrett Wilson (and Moore has unlocked potential too!). It's not crazy to see us as a contender if he joins
Me to but what little hope I had with them getting a good QB is out the window . Carr was better then anything they had for years and I’m but a big fan of his either
I just read the Saints are signing Carr - it never ends with the Jets. So now what i have been saying all along its Jimmy G.. Total somke screen that Carr and the Jets were in love with each other. Why we continue to root for this god forsaken team is beoyond me.
Good morning David. As always, well done. Watching ESPN and the NFL Network as I’m writing this it’s looking more and more like David Carr will be our QB this season. And that’s fine. If that turns out to be the case I would love to re sign MFW as the ideal #2. Other than his guaranteed money I see no point in hanging onto ZW. It makes zero sense. No matter what happens he’s not playing. He should not be trusted to be the backup. So if he sits the next two seasons where does that leave him heading into the 2025 season? I don’t see any way the Jets would pick up his 5th year option. What I do think the Jets might do is draft a developmental QB later in the draft. I think we saw 4 or 5 kids throwing over the weekend that might make interesting options in rounds 4 thru 6.
agree with you, bruddah - I say JD still gets a top-tier OT @ 13, and maybe trades up to ensure we get either John Michael Schmidt or Luke Wypler, the Ohio State Center (go Nick Mangold!) who is also a lifelong Jets fan (shades of Jeremy Ruckert). Wypler's damn good, just a nudge lower rated than JMS, and he looks like he's got a mean streak, if one judges his pic on NFLDraftBuzz, LOL.
I think Chris Smith is unattainable for us - he's a solid top of 2nd round pick, and we really need to cowboy up on the OL, get Brickashaw/Mangold V2.0 up and running.
Then rounds 3 and 4, we get LB & S with strong coverage skills. You know, if we would have had a FS with better coverage than Joyner, we could have let Whitehead loose doing what he does best; support the box and give bone-crushing hits to anyone rushing or running a slant. Then there'd be no chatter about him being a cut candidate I think.
I think Douglas has been around as a scout and team executive long enough to figure out that Rodgers could become a problem for the Jets next year simply because while Rodgers hasn’t said he wants to retire this year, who says that at one year older, he won’t retire next year. Throw in traded draft picks and the hit on the cap, Carr at 7 years younger though not as talented is a more viable pick up.
Also by getting Carr, Zach’s future with the team will be he has no future with the team. If the Jets get Rodgers, would the Jets be forced to kick in Zach’s fifth year option, next year.
Hopefully by getting Carr, barring injury, the Jets will be stabilizing the teams quarterback situation for at least 3-4 years.
Agree. The draft compensation for Rogers seems to be plummeting, Green Bay wants to move on, Rogers is a problem. When a guy starts talking about retirement a lot, he is actually already retired in his job.
Agreed. It's gone from two first round picks to potentially one second round pick. Sounds as though Green Bay are done, so why would any team give up big draft capital for him? If the Packers want to rid themselves of Rodgers, other teams know that and will wait for it to fall.
I imagine we'll hear about Rodgers intentions through the Pat McAfee show this week. I'm hoping the Jets get the Carr deal done, let's get on with our off-season plan.
David, hey at this rate maybe we should just wait it out. The way this is dragging out maybe the Packers will offer us their #1 pick in this draft just to get rid of him?🤔😂🤣
D-Dubs -
Honestly I don't care if it's no picks (which it won't be, GB wants something) - Carr is by far the better choice.
What do you think the chances are for the following? -
Sign Carr -- keep Mike White as the backup (sorry Zach) -- TRADE Zach for either a year long supply of russett potatoes or a 6th rounder -- then draft a QB in R5, someone along the mold of a run'n'shoot guy like Hurts, Allen, Jackson (just obviously not that talent level, not at round 5 anyway...)
CGVet58
"But a man's reach should exceed his grasp... or what's a Heaven for?"
--- Robert Browning
Looks like we are on the same page. We basically said the same thing. Maleek Cunningham would be the running QB in this draft. I’m not sure that’s the way to go as a run first QB requires a different offensive scheme to be effective kind of like what the Ravens have for LJ. They were smart to get a backup for him with a similar skill set.
I agree heartily. It's just going on too long. And I wouldn't give up any draft capital for Rodgers, it would be like throwing it away. And all these "experts" who say the Jets are just a QB away from a deep playoff have no idea what they are talking about.
Draft compensation going down for Rodgers. Who wants to pay 59.5 million for a season? Time to move on.
He'd absolutely have to rework that contract before any team would agree to trade for him. Which is why his delays could be putting some teams off considering free agency is around the corner and teams like to know what they're working with.
I'm hoping that's why it hasn't been worked out with the Jets yet
JO, couldn't have said it better myself.
In the Coast Guard, when someone was acting like Rodgers is, we called him being on the ROAD -
Retired
On
Active
Duty
CGVet58
The problem with being retired is that you fold when there is adversity. The Jets have a rough road ahead., and there will be adversity and challenges, you don’t want a QB that will quit on you.
Hoping to sign Carr this week, if the Jets do, Douglas, Saleh, Hackett & Downing did a Hell of a Sales Job. Could Gase have pulled this off ? I don’t think so .The Saints seem to be the primary competition, and they have been restructuring everyone they can, just to get under the CAP. Restructuring can get you just so far, New Orleans is going to have to cut some folks. The CAP is increasing, but is 2024 the Saints are over the CAP by only 29 million, compared to the Jets at 112 million. I can’t see how the Saints can pay Carr, even with all the CAP gyrations.
Speaking of CAP, 11 million for a Left Tackle is cheap, Duane Brown at LT is great for the Jets. Becton moves to Right Tackle . Mekhi & AVT on the right side , run right all day long. Not sure if one of the top three OT’s can make it to 13. Okay with Schmidtz at 13.
I was working this out last night, even with all the restructures the Saints are still $18 million over the cap. They need to keep restructuring and that just kicks the can down the road. If Carr wants to go somewhere to compete for 4-5 years, then the Saints are risky for him. You can only kick that can so far before you have to start losing players as you say.
It does look like a two horse race between the Saints and Jets.
Wether it’s Carr or Rodgers, once this gets done, it will stop a small group of Jet fans who have been posting this question. Do you think we should be going after Carson Wentz?
I think if Carr and Rodgers both go off the board, we get into a week of Jimmy G debate surely.
N-O NO
Do you think Wentz is a West Coast Offense kind of guy ? We have our reclamation project.
Curious what kind of salary Carson wind up with in 2023
He ran a west coast offense in college I know that. He also ran some WCO concepts in the Frank Reich offense in Indy.
I can't wait for Jeremy Fowler to announce that Aaron Rodgers is leaning towards the Jets. Gardner Minshew...here we come.
Joe Douglas does not know what he is doing ! I keep saying this over and over again. If he is waiting on Rogers then he is worse then I thought he was. So it’s really Jimmy G and one injury away for Wilson again.
Sounds like Carr is signing with the Saints, per 2 reports from Russini and Garafalo.
If we don't get Rodgers, who's our next choice?
Big swing for Lamar? Tannehill?
Jimmy G is way lower on my list.
Brissett for year 8 million
Oof. FWIW I might want Brisset over Jimmy
But neither is an offseason success
Please no Brisset but here we are again talking about nobody fir QB
The goal is AR12 until he's no longer available
We don’t know that’s the goal - really going to pay that much when the team needs more then a QB ? Rogers would never come the Jets anyway - goal should be just go get a QB before it’s too late
I wanted Carr for that reason. But - Rodgers was elite two years ago, and likely would still be at that level when healthy.
Rodgers cash payment is high but his cap number isn't crazy. @david can you fact check me on this?
Why do you think that "Rodgers would never come to the Jets"? He sounds frustrated with how he's been treated in GB. We're a team with an elite defense and top WR talent in Garrett Wilson (and Moore has unlocked potential too!). It's not crazy to see us as a contender if he joins
Knowing Douglas that is what he is doing. It is never about winning.
It was always Jimmy G
😢 I really hope not
Me to but what little hope I had with them getting a good QB is out the window . Carr was better then anything they had for years and I’m but a big fan of his either
I just read the Saints are signing Carr - it never ends with the Jets. So now what i have been saying all along its Jimmy G.. Total somke screen that Carr and the Jets were in love with each other. Why we continue to root for this god forsaken team is beoyond me.
Maybe reserve judgement until we see where it lands? We could still end up with Rodgers
Good morning David. As always, well done. Watching ESPN and the NFL Network as I’m writing this it’s looking more and more like David Carr will be our QB this season. And that’s fine. If that turns out to be the case I would love to re sign MFW as the ideal #2. Other than his guaranteed money I see no point in hanging onto ZW. It makes zero sense. No matter what happens he’s not playing. He should not be trusted to be the backup. So if he sits the next two seasons where does that leave him heading into the 2025 season? I don’t see any way the Jets would pick up his 5th year option. What I do think the Jets might do is draft a developmental QB later in the draft. I think we saw 4 or 5 kids throwing over the weekend that might make interesting options in rounds 4 thru 6.
*Derek Carr
Reports say he's signing with New Orleans but we'll see
hey David and team!
agree with you, bruddah - I say JD still gets a top-tier OT @ 13, and maybe trades up to ensure we get either John Michael Schmidt or Luke Wypler, the Ohio State Center (go Nick Mangold!) who is also a lifelong Jets fan (shades of Jeremy Ruckert). Wypler's damn good, just a nudge lower rated than JMS, and he looks like he's got a mean streak, if one judges his pic on NFLDraftBuzz, LOL.
I think Chris Smith is unattainable for us - he's a solid top of 2nd round pick, and we really need to cowboy up on the OL, get Brickashaw/Mangold V2.0 up and running.
Then rounds 3 and 4, we get LB & S with strong coverage skills. You know, if we would have had a FS with better coverage than Joyner, we could have let Whitehead loose doing what he does best; support the box and give bone-crushing hits to anyone rushing or running a slant. Then there'd be no chatter about him being a cut candidate I think.
Audentes Fortuna Iuvat!
CGVet58
Can we rely on the R3 R4 FS or LB to start? Hope so!
We always have so many needs
Letting CMG walk is a huge risk