While Vrabel checks a lot of positive marks, I think that the base is yearning for a HC who is an innovating offensive coach.
Though he won with Tannehill who he revitalized after being a failed Dolphin #1 pick.
The fan base is yearning for a home grown young quarterback.
They have had it with the Rodgers , Favres and Flacco’s.
The fact he had Peterson and Carter on his staff does not exactly make the base jump up and click their heels in excitement.
Based on his personality of saying what he feels is right, a quick deterioration of his relationship with ownership could happen because of Mr Interference, Woody.
The you have the situation of who the new GM wants and is comfortable with.
Vrabel would be safe hire but you just know if he is hired, the most repeated comment of his hire will be, not another defensive coach.
Unfortunately Rex Ryan is going 24/7 that he wants the Jet HC job.
He said he could coach for Woody for 20 years, he and Woody are like brothers. The blowhard has been non stop promoting himself all over social media.
Hey Rex, do yourself a favor, stop talking. You won with Mangini’s players, once they were gone and you got into the draft room, a certified disaster.
You benched the popular Cotchery for no good reason then traded him out of town.
Lastly your big mouth made the Jets the most hated team in the NFL.
Your yapping about multiple White House visits more BS.
You said you weren’t kissing any rings but the reason for that could have been you were to busy kissing your wife’s feet.
Please Rex, gracefully stay in tv.
Would Woody give him another chance, after what’s been going on lately, one could see it happen.
What Tyer they do they do - Rex i think got hit hard when they let Mr T go. Can find bad decisions in all the poepl in charge since he left that are worse. They may have been Mangini players but they didnt win until Sanchez and Rex cam among others. You could find a lot worse coaches for the Jets. P.S. was glad the whole league hated us - better then being laughed at.
Sorry Steve but that’s ridiculously! Rex was exposed for what he was. A capable DC but a god awful HC. He ran this team into obscurity and then went off to Buffalo and inherited a defense that was a top 5 unit and destroyed it by disassembling it from the 4-3 alignment it was into his preferred 3-4 system. Bad move as the personnel lacked the versatility to do that. Had he been patient he could have eventually gradually made that switch but as usual Rex wanted to show everyone how smart he is and he got the boot after only his second season. He hasn’t got a sniff since so that tells you what the league thinks of him. The Jet would be even more of a laughing stock if they went this route. But I guess that would be par for the course.
Totally agree, Ron. It would look like Woody was trying to emulate Steinbrenner and Billy Martin if he brought back Rex. The team did win with Mangini. He made them a very disciplined team and they didn't beat themselves. The problem was that he was too much of a micro-manager and he made everyone hate him. That's one of the major reasons that Rex succeeded. They had disciplined, veteran team leaders, but Rex made it fun, there was no longer an oppressive atmosphere around the team, and as almost always happens, Rex (a player's coach) got the benefit of the bump that players' coaches get when they follow a strict disciplinarian.
Rex not only disassembled the Bills, he did the same thing with the Jets, destroying the great team chemistry in the process, and that's why the Jets turned into such miserable losers (that and Rex's drafting as you pointed out).
After looking at everything, I like the chance that might bring Ray Agnew to New York. I was also gratified to see that Curtis Martin would like to get involved with the team in a meaningful way, possibly even as a minority owner. I think having him in some role would be a benefit. As far as Vrabel is concerned, I think it depends on who is hired as GM and if they want Vrabel here. Which is as it should be. The Jets really need someone who can stand up to Wood Head, or Chrissie if Woody gets the ambassadorship he craves. In the end, the team needs someone to run the day-to-day operations of the team without constant interference from ownership. This is the most key factor in my opinion. Without that, the Jets will never climb out of the hole they've dug for themselves since winning perhaps the most important Super Bowl at exactly the most important time. We will just have to see what decisions will be made. Until then, all we can do as fans as hope for the best.
David, excellent column on Vrabel. Thanks. After reading your column, I would feel a lot better about having Vrabel as the HC, even if he is a former hated Patriot. It seems his owner and GM sabotaged him in Tennessee and that's why his team got worse instead of better.
I like that he's a strong leader, and his teams were prepared and disciplined (you and others have said that before). I would be concerned about his desire to impose his will on the other team. That can lead to predictability, and continuing to do things the same way that aren't working, rather than flexibility, taking what the D gives you, and being creative.
I like that he played for 3 great winning organizations/teams (Steelers, Patriots and Chiefs). He was a LB & DL coach for Ohio St., LB coach and DC for the Texans, and has 12 years of coaching experience, yet is still plenty young at 49 that he could be here a while. The facts that he was a great player, played in and won a SB, was an All Pro one year, and named NFL HC of the year certainly don't hurt and should lead to players respecting him.
My #1 concern, however, is what kind of offense he would want. The offense the Titans ran was probably already determined and he just kept that going. It was a more conservative offense with Derrick Henry running the ball and Tannehill occasionally passing the ball. I would accept that kind of offense, but I really want a creative, high-flying passing offense that befits the team name "Jets." One of the things that makes me so high on Johnson is his creativity, he doesn't look to impose his will on the other team. He outsmarts them. Imposing one's will can work if one's team executes at a very high level regardless of what the D does, but I've seen a lot of teams in the NFL lose because they kept trying to impose their will rather than simply taking what the D was giving them. I think with Johnson as HC, he'd never be out-coached by an opposing HC, whereas with Vrabel, he could be out-coached by his opposing HC on any given Sunday.
I love Corley's comments. They show maturity even if his failure to speak to the media after dropping the ball on the 1-yard line didn't.
I like Sherwood, but Ulbrich's endorsement rings hollow, as the Jets D has gone backwards and seems unorganized and/or not on the same page since Saleh's firing. That may or may not be on Sherwood. I hope that it's solely on Ulbrich tyring to both call plays and be HC. I wish he'd let someone else call the plays, so we could get a better idea about Sherwood.
At face value yes. He’s not starting the HC learning curve. He’s a Super Bowl champion and has excellent football pedigree/resume from CCL, OSU then…..
I also theorize he’d be comfortable with a high powered OC. But would AR?
I also want an experienced successful GM to compliment and enable Vrabel with a solid player pool/pipeline.
Last to make the Jets successful they need to hire credible experience and have ownership stay in its lane.
I don't give a crap what AR likes or with what he is comfortable. He should not be a part of the team going forward. I've always liked him, but he is toast. He is part of the problem now and must go.
I just worry Vrabel; is the flavor of the month. Just about anyone with the current roster would win 8-9-10 games. However, i have no idea who wold be best for the postion - after all these years i have no opnion.
I just read that Jerry Jeudy is claiming on social media that HE was the one who nixed the trade to the Jets, not Woody Johnson. Whatever the case, I'm glad that the trade was nixed. He's simply not that good. I thought he was overrated coming out of college while others thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's never played a full season, never had a 1,000 yard season, and only has 39 receptions this season along with a new $52 million contract.
While Vrabel checks a lot of positive marks, I think that the base is yearning for a HC who is an innovating offensive coach.
Though he won with Tannehill who he revitalized after being a failed Dolphin #1 pick.
The fan base is yearning for a home grown young quarterback.
They have had it with the Rodgers , Favres and Flacco’s.
The fact he had Peterson and Carter on his staff does not exactly make the base jump up and click their heels in excitement.
Based on his personality of saying what he feels is right, a quick deterioration of his relationship with ownership could happen because of Mr Interference, Woody.
The you have the situation of who the new GM wants and is comfortable with.
Vrabel would be safe hire but you just know if he is hired, the most repeated comment of his hire will be, not another defensive coach.
Unfortunately Rex Ryan is going 24/7 that he wants the Jet HC job.
He said he could coach for Woody for 20 years, he and Woody are like brothers. The blowhard has been non stop promoting himself all over social media.
Hey Rex, do yourself a favor, stop talking. You won with Mangini’s players, once they were gone and you got into the draft room, a certified disaster.
You benched the popular Cotchery for no good reason then traded him out of town.
Lastly your big mouth made the Jets the most hated team in the NFL.
Your yapping about multiple White House visits more BS.
You said you weren’t kissing any rings but the reason for that could have been you were to busy kissing your wife’s feet.
Please Rex, gracefully stay in tv.
Would Woody give him another chance, after what’s been going on lately, one could see it happen.
Great post, Bobber. I couldn't agree more!!
What Tyer they do they do - Rex i think got hit hard when they let Mr T go. Can find bad decisions in all the poepl in charge since he left that are worse. They may have been Mangini players but they didnt win until Sanchez and Rex cam among others. You could find a lot worse coaches for the Jets. P.S. was glad the whole league hated us - better then being laughed at.
Sorry Steve but that’s ridiculously! Rex was exposed for what he was. A capable DC but a god awful HC. He ran this team into obscurity and then went off to Buffalo and inherited a defense that was a top 5 unit and destroyed it by disassembling it from the 4-3 alignment it was into his preferred 3-4 system. Bad move as the personnel lacked the versatility to do that. Had he been patient he could have eventually gradually made that switch but as usual Rex wanted to show everyone how smart he is and he got the boot after only his second season. He hasn’t got a sniff since so that tells you what the league thinks of him. The Jet would be even more of a laughing stock if they went this route. But I guess that would be par for the course.
Totally agree, Ron. It would look like Woody was trying to emulate Steinbrenner and Billy Martin if he brought back Rex. The team did win with Mangini. He made them a very disciplined team and they didn't beat themselves. The problem was that he was too much of a micro-manager and he made everyone hate him. That's one of the major reasons that Rex succeeded. They had disciplined, veteran team leaders, but Rex made it fun, there was no longer an oppressive atmosphere around the team, and as almost always happens, Rex (a player's coach) got the benefit of the bump that players' coaches get when they follow a strict disciplinarian.
Rex not only disassembled the Bills, he did the same thing with the Jets, destroying the great team chemistry in the process, and that's why the Jets turned into such miserable losers (that and Rex's drafting as you pointed out).
After looking at everything, I like the chance that might bring Ray Agnew to New York. I was also gratified to see that Curtis Martin would like to get involved with the team in a meaningful way, possibly even as a minority owner. I think having him in some role would be a benefit. As far as Vrabel is concerned, I think it depends on who is hired as GM and if they want Vrabel here. Which is as it should be. The Jets really need someone who can stand up to Wood Head, or Chrissie if Woody gets the ambassadorship he craves. In the end, the team needs someone to run the day-to-day operations of the team without constant interference from ownership. This is the most key factor in my opinion. Without that, the Jets will never climb out of the hole they've dug for themselves since winning perhaps the most important Super Bowl at exactly the most important time. We will just have to see what decisions will be made. Until then, all we can do as fans as hope for the best.
David, excellent column on Vrabel. Thanks. After reading your column, I would feel a lot better about having Vrabel as the HC, even if he is a former hated Patriot. It seems his owner and GM sabotaged him in Tennessee and that's why his team got worse instead of better.
I like that he's a strong leader, and his teams were prepared and disciplined (you and others have said that before). I would be concerned about his desire to impose his will on the other team. That can lead to predictability, and continuing to do things the same way that aren't working, rather than flexibility, taking what the D gives you, and being creative.
I like that he played for 3 great winning organizations/teams (Steelers, Patriots and Chiefs). He was a LB & DL coach for Ohio St., LB coach and DC for the Texans, and has 12 years of coaching experience, yet is still plenty young at 49 that he could be here a while. The facts that he was a great player, played in and won a SB, was an All Pro one year, and named NFL HC of the year certainly don't hurt and should lead to players respecting him.
My #1 concern, however, is what kind of offense he would want. The offense the Titans ran was probably already determined and he just kept that going. It was a more conservative offense with Derrick Henry running the ball and Tannehill occasionally passing the ball. I would accept that kind of offense, but I really want a creative, high-flying passing offense that befits the team name "Jets." One of the things that makes me so high on Johnson is his creativity, he doesn't look to impose his will on the other team. He outsmarts them. Imposing one's will can work if one's team executes at a very high level regardless of what the D does, but I've seen a lot of teams in the NFL lose because they kept trying to impose their will rather than simply taking what the D was giving them. I think with Johnson as HC, he'd never be out-coached by an opposing HC, whereas with Vrabel, he could be out-coached by his opposing HC on any given Sunday.
I love Corley's comments. They show maturity even if his failure to speak to the media after dropping the ball on the 1-yard line didn't.
I like Sherwood, but Ulbrich's endorsement rings hollow, as the Jets D has gone backwards and seems unorganized and/or not on the same page since Saleh's firing. That may or may not be on Sherwood. I hope that it's solely on Ulbrich tyring to both call plays and be HC. I wish he'd let someone else call the plays, so we could get a better idea about Sherwood.
At face value yes. He’s not starting the HC learning curve. He’s a Super Bowl champion and has excellent football pedigree/resume from CCL, OSU then…..
I also theorize he’d be comfortable with a high powered OC. But would AR?
I also want an experienced successful GM to compliment and enable Vrabel with a solid player pool/pipeline.
Last to make the Jets successful they need to hire credible experience and have ownership stay in its lane.
I don't give a crap what AR likes or with what he is comfortable. He should not be a part of the team going forward. I've always liked him, but he is toast. He is part of the problem now and must go.
I just worry Vrabel; is the flavor of the month. Just about anyone with the current roster would win 8-9-10 games. However, i have no idea who wold be best for the postion - after all these years i have no opnion.
Agree
I just read that Jerry Jeudy is claiming on social media that HE was the one who nixed the trade to the Jets, not Woody Johnson. Whatever the case, I'm glad that the trade was nixed. He's simply not that good. I thought he was overrated coming out of college while others thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's never played a full season, never had a 1,000 yard season, and only has 39 receptions this season along with a new $52 million contract.