David, time to expand. Peter King announced in his usually 10,000 word Monday morning column that he is retiring, today was his last one.
I wouldn’t touch Coleman with a 5th round pick, they claim once his quarterback went down, he didn’t give a rat’s a** about playing. He just went through the motions.
As I have mentioned many times, math was my worst school subject and the machinations of the salary cap, bonuses, dead money etc. is way above my pay grade.
So my question is this, does this cap increase help in keeping Huff.
Theoretically it gives the Jets more money to work with, but it also gives every other team money to work with, so if Huff is going to ask for top dollar, it doesn't really change the chances of securing him in my mind. An argument could be made that if Huff's value stays the same as it was last week, and the Jets were working to a cap of $242 million and now they're working to a cap of $255 million, that extra leverage could increase the chances of him coming back.
Do you tag Huff ? With the thought of signing and trading. His market expands with more teams having the CAP, to obtain a 20 million dollar Pass Rusher.
Yes, if the Jets can't come to agreement with him over the next couple of weeks, imo they should put the transition tag on him. That gives them the right to match any offer he gets, and if they don't match, I believe they'll get a 2nd pick in return.
NO! According to an article I read earlier tagging Huff would put him in the low $20 million per (for 3 to 4 years) range. He’s good but that’s way too much for a 10 sack guy. According to that same article he’s projected to slot in the $12 mill range. So a tag and trade makes no sense because nobody’s gonna wanna pay him that kind of money.
Ron, I don't know who wrote that article, but I think whomever did is way off base on what Huff will be paid. I've been seeing his new contract as likely being in the $15-$18 million range per season. A transition tag is $20 million. The Jet have a few weeks to negotiate with Huff before they have to let him walk or tag him. The thing about the transition tag is that it gives the Jets the right to match what ever offer Huff receives in FA, so if the best offer Huff got from another team was $18 million per season, then the Jets could match and keep him and pay $18 million not $20 million, or they could let him go to the new team, but then they'd get a 2nd round pick I believe, or at least the right to negotiate with the other team on compensation. In a year in which they're going all in, imo it would be beyond dumb to just let Huff walk in FA and then only get a bottom of the 3rd round compensatory pick at best, and if they sign a backup QB, 2 OTs, and a WR in FA, unless they were all bargain basement signings, I don't think they would get anything for Huff. He's their best pass rusher and one of the best in the NFL. He got 10 sacks playing part time. He should be playing a lot more than he has been. IMO this is another mistake that Saleh and Ulbrich have made. I disagree on all accounts. I think it makes a LOT of sense, and I believe there will be a number of teams bidding for his services, especially since they have more cap space to work with now.
Ron might be speaking sense regarding Huff. It seems like the reality is somewhere between the hyperventilating that you'll get from a number of Jets-specific outlets (mostly about the need to sign him no matter what and him being the best pass rusher in the league) and the contrarian take that he's not worth the money and hasn't proven enough to get paid. He has demonstrated that he can be amazing in a situational pass rusher role and was passable in extended opportunities against the run. They brought him along slowly and he, definitely, rose to the challenge. It's kind of unfortunate that the team didn't try to sign him to a longer term deal but I'm skeptical that he'd have accepted getting locked down on a team-friendly deal. Most of these dudes believe in themselves and are comfortable betting on themselves. As it is, Bryce Huff has a lot to prove regarding his ability to be a full time player. Jermaine Johnson is, clearly, the guy at one spot. He played a similar snap percentage (65%) to Quinnen Williams (68%) and JFM (56%). Huff was playing about 42 percent of the time (about on par with other rotational players like Quinton Jefferson, Solomon Thomas, and Michael Clemons).
There's something to be said about being able to unleash a player in very specific circumstances and doses that make him the most productive he can be. The question any team that signs Huff needs to figure out is whether he can be used in a larger role successfully. He hasn't proved that, just yet. I think he, probably, can. Is it worth paying to find out when you have so much invested at defensive end? Can you get another guy on the team to replicate some of that success in a situational role? Can Clemons take pressure off of JFM as your backup big defensive end (I'm not sure what they call the position, but I think JFM and Clemons play the same position on this line), allowing JFM to be put into more pass rush situations? Can Will McDonald take another step? Will Jermaine Johnson take on an even larger share of the reps? These are all legitimate questions to ask and I don't think the answer is simple.
I disagree. I think Ron is totally wrong. Huff statistically IS one of the better pass rushers in the league. I think saying that he isn't worth it is nuts, and that letting him walk in FA for MAYBE only a late 3rd round compensatory pick is even nuttier.
The idea of Clemens replacing Huff is laughable. You want to talk unproven, that's McDonald. We know what Huff can do as a pass rusher, and the only reason that we don't know what Huff can do vs the run is that the Jets screwed the pooch and have never given him the opportunity until a little bit this past season.
Seems like a plan. What will teams like Washington do with their 80 million in Cap ? It’s hard to contemplate, 20 million for a player, but it is a new era. Would hope the Jets offer 3 years 50 million. Want that second round pic in a trade
I've also been reading that Huff may accept less from the Jets if he gets more guaranteed money, and the Jets make him a starter. He wants to start, and imo should be starting. It would be SOJ to let him walk in FA, get only a bottom of the 3rd compensatory pick for him, and see him become a 20 sack per year guy on another team, and I can easily see that happen.
The article was one of many circulating. I believe it was one of the Jets X-Factor articles on my group page. He played in all 17 games. He had 10 sacks. He’s a below average run defender. Personally I hate the idea of letting home grown talent walk away. But you mentioned him being scheme versatile? But do you know that. Theoretically size wise he’s better suited to be a 3-4 OLB. But he’s never actually done that. He’s never been asked to cover RB’s or TE’s on a regular basis. I. Looked up the league sack numbers. He’s not even in the top tier. I just don’t think he’s a guy that’s gonna get a $20 mill per deal. If he does I will reluctantly wish him well. 👍
Huff played 3-4 OLB for at least 1, and I think 2 seasons at Memphis and he was plenty good against the run there. In preseason action this past season, he was also good against the run. I disagree with the notion that he's below average vs the run. I think it was a matter that he got pigeonholed early by the Jets as a situational pass rusher, and they never really gave him a chance to play vs the run. They never tried him at LB, either.
No, he wasn't among the leaders in sacks, but he was #1 in one category and #2 in another. I believe those categories were in pressures and in pass rush wins or success rate. If he had played as a starter his numbers project that he would have had over 20 sacks.
Your right. Desperate to get back a second round pick, but clearly that ain’t gonna happen. Jets will probably have to settle for a third round comp pick in 2025. With Washington, the Bears, and the Colts having significant CAP space, I can’t see the Jets being able to complete for Huff, but I would like to see them float a competitive offer, love Bryce.
Hopefully, it won't come to getting anything back in return because the Jets will keep him. In building a team one doesn't weaken one unit to build up another. With Lawson and Huff gone, that would take the edge rushers down to 4 (JJ, JFM, McDonald, and Clemens, and Clemens isn't scaring anyone) and Saleh and Ulbrich wouldn't be able to throw "waves" of fresh pass rushers at opponents. One injury and things could get scary, or if McDonald doesn't live up the billing our D could take a major step back. After all a lot of their success was because of our pass rush.
If you're right about The Bears, Colts, and Commanders having possible interest in Huff, that could drive his price up. They may not be the only 3 teams interested in Huff, either. Pass rushers are at a premium. If we lose him in FA, we could get that 2nd round pick, if we tag him.
Huff can play a 4-3 DE, or he can play 3-4 OLB. With his speed and agility he could drop into coverage as well as rushing the passer. I haven't paid attention to the edge rushers in this draft class, but I'd be surprised if there were any who had the speed, get off, and ability to bend like Huff does, or have his versatility.
You sign him if you can. Kindly note Huff isn’t all that bad against run, and Huff could be a difference maker on a 3-4 team. The Kansas City Defense demonstrated the advantages of being multiple, if Saleh is paying attention, the Jets Defense could get better and Huff could play a major role. Sign him.
Craig, check out video of his last game. I don’t know but to me it looked like he checked out. Had some drops and just didn’t appear to give good effort? I’ve seen some less than flattering stuff on him. Now, I was a big fan until that. He’s very talented when interested. Honestly I don’t see him going anywhere near the top 10. I’ve recently seen him in the late 20’s early 2nd round.
I probably follow about 60 Jet/ football writers on X, so I couldn’t find this one quote where they said he was barely trying. I know it was at the end of the season.
I googled him, a couple different ways, attitude or not running out plays. There was some YouTube videos that can be watched, I didn’t.
His production slowly lessen as the season wore on.
I did see a quote from probably a FSU fan that said he was hiding a leg injury in the last 4 games he played in.
Possible leg injury gave the perception of not going all out.
But he is dropping on mock draft boards for whatever that’s worth
Those were some pretty encouraging words from Schwartz. It sounds like Fuaga is the real deal in the ground game and the mention of his being a smooth operator in the zone scheme is very appealing. The pass protection comments aren't particularly concerning. It sounds like Fuaga, at Oregon State, had a habit of oversetting in order to get out to speed rushers and outside pressure. That isn't surprising given the chatter we've heard about him being a big fella who isn't an insane athlete like Alt or Fashanu. He's probably going to be trying to get little edges here and there to combat a weakness. This is the kind of thing that can be coached and ironed out of a guy's technique. I'd still rather have the dude from Washington (Fautanu). I know he has some guard projections but his movement skills sound excellent. Either way, there are a bunch of good offensive linemen that can play tackle in this draft (seemingly more than last year).
Reference simple restructuring, important to note that there are projections that there will be a significant jump in the CAP in 2025. Salaries, are going to get crazy, time to lock up talent of key contributors. Locking up DJ Reed, reducing his CAP hit in 2024 would be ideal. CJ with a 21 million CAP hit, needs a restructure. 20 million a year, is going to be common for players , buckle up . Drafting and the signing of UNDFA’s becomes even more important.
David, time to expand. Peter King announced in his usually 10,000 word Monday morning column that he is retiring, today was his last one.
I wouldn’t touch Coleman with a 5th round pick, they claim once his quarterback went down, he didn’t give a rat’s a** about playing. He just went through the motions.
As I have mentioned many times, math was my worst school subject and the machinations of the salary cap, bonuses, dead money etc. is way above my pay grade.
So my question is this, does this cap increase help in keeping Huff.
Theoretically it gives the Jets more money to work with, but it also gives every other team money to work with, so if Huff is going to ask for top dollar, it doesn't really change the chances of securing him in my mind. An argument could be made that if Huff's value stays the same as it was last week, and the Jets were working to a cap of $242 million and now they're working to a cap of $255 million, that extra leverage could increase the chances of him coming back.
Do you tag Huff ? With the thought of signing and trading. His market expands with more teams having the CAP, to obtain a 20 million dollar Pass Rusher.
Yes, if the Jets can't come to agreement with him over the next couple of weeks, imo they should put the transition tag on him. That gives them the right to match any offer he gets, and if they don't match, I believe they'll get a 2nd pick in return.
NO! According to an article I read earlier tagging Huff would put him in the low $20 million per (for 3 to 4 years) range. He’s good but that’s way too much for a 10 sack guy. According to that same article he’s projected to slot in the $12 mill range. So a tag and trade makes no sense because nobody’s gonna wanna pay him that kind of money.
Ron, I don't know who wrote that article, but I think whomever did is way off base on what Huff will be paid. I've been seeing his new contract as likely being in the $15-$18 million range per season. A transition tag is $20 million. The Jet have a few weeks to negotiate with Huff before they have to let him walk or tag him. The thing about the transition tag is that it gives the Jets the right to match what ever offer Huff receives in FA, so if the best offer Huff got from another team was $18 million per season, then the Jets could match and keep him and pay $18 million not $20 million, or they could let him go to the new team, but then they'd get a 2nd round pick I believe, or at least the right to negotiate with the other team on compensation. In a year in which they're going all in, imo it would be beyond dumb to just let Huff walk in FA and then only get a bottom of the 3rd round compensatory pick at best, and if they sign a backup QB, 2 OTs, and a WR in FA, unless they were all bargain basement signings, I don't think they would get anything for Huff. He's their best pass rusher and one of the best in the NFL. He got 10 sacks playing part time. He should be playing a lot more than he has been. IMO this is another mistake that Saleh and Ulbrich have made. I disagree on all accounts. I think it makes a LOT of sense, and I believe there will be a number of teams bidding for his services, especially since they have more cap space to work with now.
Ron might be speaking sense regarding Huff. It seems like the reality is somewhere between the hyperventilating that you'll get from a number of Jets-specific outlets (mostly about the need to sign him no matter what and him being the best pass rusher in the league) and the contrarian take that he's not worth the money and hasn't proven enough to get paid. He has demonstrated that he can be amazing in a situational pass rusher role and was passable in extended opportunities against the run. They brought him along slowly and he, definitely, rose to the challenge. It's kind of unfortunate that the team didn't try to sign him to a longer term deal but I'm skeptical that he'd have accepted getting locked down on a team-friendly deal. Most of these dudes believe in themselves and are comfortable betting on themselves. As it is, Bryce Huff has a lot to prove regarding his ability to be a full time player. Jermaine Johnson is, clearly, the guy at one spot. He played a similar snap percentage (65%) to Quinnen Williams (68%) and JFM (56%). Huff was playing about 42 percent of the time (about on par with other rotational players like Quinton Jefferson, Solomon Thomas, and Michael Clemons).
There's something to be said about being able to unleash a player in very specific circumstances and doses that make him the most productive he can be. The question any team that signs Huff needs to figure out is whether he can be used in a larger role successfully. He hasn't proved that, just yet. I think he, probably, can. Is it worth paying to find out when you have so much invested at defensive end? Can you get another guy on the team to replicate some of that success in a situational role? Can Clemons take pressure off of JFM as your backup big defensive end (I'm not sure what they call the position, but I think JFM and Clemons play the same position on this line), allowing JFM to be put into more pass rush situations? Can Will McDonald take another step? Will Jermaine Johnson take on an even larger share of the reps? These are all legitimate questions to ask and I don't think the answer is simple.
I disagree. I think Ron is totally wrong. Huff statistically IS one of the better pass rushers in the league. I think saying that he isn't worth it is nuts, and that letting him walk in FA for MAYBE only a late 3rd round compensatory pick is even nuttier.
The idea of Clemens replacing Huff is laughable. You want to talk unproven, that's McDonald. We know what Huff can do as a pass rusher, and the only reason that we don't know what Huff can do vs the run is that the Jets screwed the pooch and have never given him the opportunity until a little bit this past season.
Seems like a plan. What will teams like Washington do with their 80 million in Cap ? It’s hard to contemplate, 20 million for a player, but it is a new era. Would hope the Jets offer 3 years 50 million. Want that second round pic in a trade
I've also been reading that Huff may accept less from the Jets if he gets more guaranteed money, and the Jets make him a starter. He wants to start, and imo should be starting. It would be SOJ to let him walk in FA, get only a bottom of the 3rd compensatory pick for him, and see him become a 20 sack per year guy on another team, and I can easily see that happen.
The article was one of many circulating. I believe it was one of the Jets X-Factor articles on my group page. He played in all 17 games. He had 10 sacks. He’s a below average run defender. Personally I hate the idea of letting home grown talent walk away. But you mentioned him being scheme versatile? But do you know that. Theoretically size wise he’s better suited to be a 3-4 OLB. But he’s never actually done that. He’s never been asked to cover RB’s or TE’s on a regular basis. I. Looked up the league sack numbers. He’s not even in the top tier. I just don’t think he’s a guy that’s gonna get a $20 mill per deal. If he does I will reluctantly wish him well. 👍
Huff played 3-4 OLB for at least 1, and I think 2 seasons at Memphis and he was plenty good against the run there. In preseason action this past season, he was also good against the run. I disagree with the notion that he's below average vs the run. I think it was a matter that he got pigeonholed early by the Jets as a situational pass rusher, and they never really gave him a chance to play vs the run. They never tried him at LB, either.
No, he wasn't among the leaders in sacks, but he was #1 in one category and #2 in another. I believe those categories were in pressures and in pass rush wins or success rate. If he had played as a starter his numbers project that he would have had over 20 sacks.
Your right. Desperate to get back a second round pick, but clearly that ain’t gonna happen. Jets will probably have to settle for a third round comp pick in 2025. With Washington, the Bears, and the Colts having significant CAP space, I can’t see the Jets being able to complete for Huff, but I would like to see them float a competitive offer, love Bryce.
Hopefully, it won't come to getting anything back in return because the Jets will keep him. In building a team one doesn't weaken one unit to build up another. With Lawson and Huff gone, that would take the edge rushers down to 4 (JJ, JFM, McDonald, and Clemens, and Clemens isn't scaring anyone) and Saleh and Ulbrich wouldn't be able to throw "waves" of fresh pass rushers at opponents. One injury and things could get scary, or if McDonald doesn't live up the billing our D could take a major step back. After all a lot of their success was because of our pass rush.
If you're right about The Bears, Colts, and Commanders having possible interest in Huff, that could drive his price up. They may not be the only 3 teams interested in Huff, either. Pass rushers are at a premium. If we lose him in FA, we could get that 2nd round pick, if we tag him.
Huff can play a 4-3 DE, or he can play 3-4 OLB. With his speed and agility he could drop into coverage as well as rushing the passer. I haven't paid attention to the edge rushers in this draft class, but I'd be surprised if there were any who had the speed, get off, and ability to bend like Huff does, or have his versatility.
You sign him if you can. Kindly note Huff isn’t all that bad against run, and Huff could be a difference maker on a 3-4 team. The Kansas City Defense demonstrated the advantages of being multiple, if Saleh is paying attention, the Jets Defense could get better and Huff could play a major role. Sign him.
Bobber, do you remember where you read or heard that about Coleman? I quoted you to another Jets fan, and he wants the source.
Craig, check out video of his last game. I don’t know but to me it looked like he checked out. Had some drops and just didn’t appear to give good effort? I’ve seen some less than flattering stuff on him. Now, I was a big fan until that. He’s very talented when interested. Honestly I don’t see him going anywhere near the top 10. I’ve recently seen him in the late 20’s early 2nd round.
Thanks, Ron. If you run across any other articles with negative info on him, please cite them here. Thanks !
I probably follow about 60 Jet/ football writers on X, so I couldn’t find this one quote where they said he was barely trying. I know it was at the end of the season.
I googled him, a couple different ways, attitude or not running out plays. There was some YouTube videos that can be watched, I didn’t.
His production slowly lessen as the season wore on.
I did see a quote from probably a FSU fan that said he was hiding a leg injury in the last 4 games he played in.
Possible leg injury gave the perception of not going all out.
But he is dropping on mock draft boards for whatever that’s worth
Thanks for looking!
Those were some pretty encouraging words from Schwartz. It sounds like Fuaga is the real deal in the ground game and the mention of his being a smooth operator in the zone scheme is very appealing. The pass protection comments aren't particularly concerning. It sounds like Fuaga, at Oregon State, had a habit of oversetting in order to get out to speed rushers and outside pressure. That isn't surprising given the chatter we've heard about him being a big fella who isn't an insane athlete like Alt or Fashanu. He's probably going to be trying to get little edges here and there to combat a weakness. This is the kind of thing that can be coached and ironed out of a guy's technique. I'd still rather have the dude from Washington (Fautanu). I know he has some guard projections but his movement skills sound excellent. Either way, there are a bunch of good offensive linemen that can play tackle in this draft (seemingly more than last year).
Thanks, will watch Fautanu carefully
Can’t wait to see these guys at the combine on Sunday
Reference simple restructuring, important to note that there are projections that there will be a significant jump in the CAP in 2025. Salaries, are going to get crazy, time to lock up talent of key contributors. Locking up DJ Reed, reducing his CAP hit in 2024 would be ideal. CJ with a 21 million CAP hit, needs a restructure. 20 million a year, is going to be common for players , buckle up . Drafting and the signing of UNDFA’s becomes even more important.
You know right away w. some players - Huff is one! You keep those players.
He seems to have that knack of wrecking an offense at just the right time. Losing him will definitely affect the pass rush negatively.