David, Wow! Great post. Interesting to see a couple here with different opinions but then again, that’s why this whole topic is such a hot point in Jet groups. For me this article was everything I have tried to convey to the Zackaholic’s. Facts are facts. I have just come to the conclusion that no matter what a great argument you make people will often follow their heart instead of their head. Human nature at its finest. Or it’s worst?🤔!
Processing speed, quick release and accuracy are the coins of the realm and yet we keep drafting quarterbacks that lack these skills when they enter the NFL. Can't they test for processing? White is far ahead on these qualities and the team is too good to be held back waiting on Zach to improve. If White can solve the red zone we will finally have a keeper. The next 4 defenses are not top line, so I expect touchdowns to go along with the impressive yard totals we've been compiling.
Good piece on the QB debate/debacle/decision/distraction/and da Zach disfunction!
I see it this way: QB is as important to a football team as a point guard is to a basketball team. A great PG can carry the team and make everybody better but not necessarily win games. A great QB can make everyone better on the team including the Defense but not necessarily win games. Like you said it's a team sport. The Jet locker room loves Mike White. I didn't expect wins against the Vikings or the Bills but we were in those games. Costly mistakes lost the Bills game more than the Bills won it. Time to turn the page to Detroit: Win this game and the playoffs are still attainable, lose and we focus on next year.
Jonathan Marshall signed off practice squad by Steelers helps us clear a little more money. He's not good enough to make the 10 active weekly DL players.
Good piece and i can "feel" from the writing this was really bugging you - rightfully so to. I am in total agreement. One thing i will throw out there though and could be considered and added to this - "intangibles". The QB could be a great leader and literlly "will' his teamates a win. Gretsky carried a average L.A. Kings team to the Cup finales, Namth took a 1-7 team and carried them to 7-7. However in this example - 5-2 was before major injuries with Wilson just driving the car not cause of him did they get 5 wins.
Unfortunately there is a group of Jet fans who are fanatical Zach fans. Their rantings are rabid, they see 5-2 and in their minds that is what all things should be measured by. You say Zach throws off his back foot, he’s 5-2, he doesn’t go through his progressions, he’s 5-2, he leaves the pocket too early, he’s 5-2, he scrambles backwards, he’s 5-2, he locks on to his first look, yea, but he is 5-2. He appears to be a self absorbed non team player, yea but he is 5-2.
I saw on one social media source a Zachanista say that he should have started against Buffalo because he singlehanded won the first Buffalo game, what???.
Hopefully White stays healthy and leads the team into the playoffs. Maybe the Zachanistas will stop this ignorant nonsense.
Two points not being made a big deal about but should be. And appear to be happening because the Jets have been insignificant the last 11 years are the penalties called or not called against the Jets in almost every game this year. Jet players getting hit out of bounds are never called, Hall in first quarter in Denver, Wilson third quarter Buffalo which was a harder hit than Whiteheads hit on a receiver in Minnesota.
Lastly, both Minnesota and Buffalo had 10 days rest going into consecutive games against the Jets. The schedule maker probably said, they stink, no one will notice.
So the Jets, in consecutive road games, had to face two teams on ten days rest, penalties called/ not called, with a little luck they could have/ should have won both games.
Rumor has it that Buffalos right tackle was still holding Huff as he was trying to get on the team bus in the parking lot.
I think elements of the QB argument have become out of control. Mike White is a better player right now. Do I think Zach could improve and eventually play better than Mike White? Yes. Mike White is four years older than Zach and look how much Mike White has improved in his career. If you go back to White’s college days, he got worse as a sophomore and completed only 50% of his passes. He then transferred and improved drastically. Even this year, you see an improved Mike White from the preseason, when some people wanted to cut him for Steveler.
There's a key point you leave out. Yes, a bad W-L record alone means nothing, if the QB loses every game 40-35. However, in our last 2 losses, while the QB was piling up stats, he did zippo in the red zone and did not score many points. We were 0-6 in the red zone against Minnesota, scoring our first and only TD with 6:45 left in the game, despite throwing a whopping 57 passes against a lousy pass defense. And against Buffalo, we scored a total of 12 points, and MW went 0-4 with the ball in his hands and a chance to tie the game late in the 4th.. So when you lose 2 critical games by one score or less, and fail to score points, your role in the loss is much more significant, and it should be considered in terms of who gives us the best chance, esp. when your only win is against a woefully undermanned Chicago defense. The fact is Zach did not face a single pass defense as bad as Minn. or Chi. all year, and he beat Buffalo with a number of big-time passes (as many as MW had against Buffalo), despite the fact that the OC chose to use a running offense predominantly. So despite the glaring problems Zach was having, I don't think it's at all fair to assume he wouldn't have won last Sunday.
My man Ron Alexander's comment about some ppl refusing to believe actual facts says it all.
DWH writes an entire piece based on facts and objective analysis that proves the QB's W-L record is at best deceptive and at worst outright meaningless, and we STILL get posters saying DWH is just anti-Zach!
If you were to look at my posts from a month ago you would see that I was totally in the camp of "give Zach more time". I am not a hater. However, there is just no arguing that Mike White is better equipped mentally (which leads to physical success) to lead our team.
BTW, not one post here said White throws "40 yard lasers". DWH provided the stats for 20+ yd throws, it speaks for itself.
This from a guy who thought that Zach's win against Buffalo was "overstated." Of course you are being critical of Zach, just be honest. And 5-2 is 5-2. Let's not pretend otherwise, just because you have a hard-on for Zach.
This from a guy who thought that Zach's win against Buffalo was "overstated." Of course you are being critical of Zach, just be honest. And 5-2 is 5-2. Let's not pretend otherwise.
David, Wow! Great post. Interesting to see a couple here with different opinions but then again, that’s why this whole topic is such a hot point in Jet groups. For me this article was everything I have tried to convey to the Zackaholic’s. Facts are facts. I have just come to the conclusion that no matter what a great argument you make people will often follow their heart instead of their head. Human nature at its finest. Or it’s worst?🤔!
Processing speed, quick release and accuracy are the coins of the realm and yet we keep drafting quarterbacks that lack these skills when they enter the NFL. Can't they test for processing? White is far ahead on these qualities and the team is too good to be held back waiting on Zach to improve. If White can solve the red zone we will finally have a keeper. The next 4 defenses are not top line, so I expect touchdowns to go along with the impressive yard totals we've been compiling.
Good piece on the QB debate/debacle/decision/distraction/and da Zach disfunction!
I see it this way: QB is as important to a football team as a point guard is to a basketball team. A great PG can carry the team and make everybody better but not necessarily win games. A great QB can make everyone better on the team including the Defense but not necessarily win games. Like you said it's a team sport. The Jet locker room loves Mike White. I didn't expect wins against the Vikings or the Bills but we were in those games. Costly mistakes lost the Bills game more than the Bills won it. Time to turn the page to Detroit: Win this game and the playoffs are still attainable, lose and we focus on next year.
Jonathan Marshall signed off practice squad by Steelers helps us clear a little more money. He's not good enough to make the 10 active weekly DL players.
Go Jets!
Good piece and i can "feel" from the writing this was really bugging you - rightfully so to. I am in total agreement. One thing i will throw out there though and could be considered and added to this - "intangibles". The QB could be a great leader and literlly "will' his teamates a win. Gretsky carried a average L.A. Kings team to the Cup finales, Namth took a 1-7 team and carried them to 7-7. However in this example - 5-2 was before major injuries with Wilson just driving the car not cause of him did they get 5 wins.
Unfortunately there is a group of Jet fans who are fanatical Zach fans. Their rantings are rabid, they see 5-2 and in their minds that is what all things should be measured by. You say Zach throws off his back foot, he’s 5-2, he doesn’t go through his progressions, he’s 5-2, he leaves the pocket too early, he’s 5-2, he scrambles backwards, he’s 5-2, he locks on to his first look, yea, but he is 5-2. He appears to be a self absorbed non team player, yea but he is 5-2.
I saw on one social media source a Zachanista say that he should have started against Buffalo because he singlehanded won the first Buffalo game, what???.
Hopefully White stays healthy and leads the team into the playoffs. Maybe the Zachanistas will stop this ignorant nonsense.
Two points not being made a big deal about but should be. And appear to be happening because the Jets have been insignificant the last 11 years are the penalties called or not called against the Jets in almost every game this year. Jet players getting hit out of bounds are never called, Hall in first quarter in Denver, Wilson third quarter Buffalo which was a harder hit than Whiteheads hit on a receiver in Minnesota.
Lastly, both Minnesota and Buffalo had 10 days rest going into consecutive games against the Jets. The schedule maker probably said, they stink, no one will notice.
So the Jets, in consecutive road games, had to face two teams on ten days rest, penalties called/ not called, with a little luck they could have/ should have won both games.
Rumor has it that Buffalos right tackle was still holding Huff as he was trying to get on the team bus in the parking lot.
I think elements of the QB argument have become out of control. Mike White is a better player right now. Do I think Zach could improve and eventually play better than Mike White? Yes. Mike White is four years older than Zach and look how much Mike White has improved in his career. If you go back to White’s college days, he got worse as a sophomore and completed only 50% of his passes. He then transferred and improved drastically. Even this year, you see an improved Mike White from the preseason, when some people wanted to cut him for Steveler.
There's a key point you leave out. Yes, a bad W-L record alone means nothing, if the QB loses every game 40-35. However, in our last 2 losses, while the QB was piling up stats, he did zippo in the red zone and did not score many points. We were 0-6 in the red zone against Minnesota, scoring our first and only TD with 6:45 left in the game, despite throwing a whopping 57 passes against a lousy pass defense. And against Buffalo, we scored a total of 12 points, and MW went 0-4 with the ball in his hands and a chance to tie the game late in the 4th.. So when you lose 2 critical games by one score or less, and fail to score points, your role in the loss is much more significant, and it should be considered in terms of who gives us the best chance, esp. when your only win is against a woefully undermanned Chicago defense. The fact is Zach did not face a single pass defense as bad as Minn. or Chi. all year, and he beat Buffalo with a number of big-time passes (as many as MW had against Buffalo), despite the fact that the OC chose to use a running offense predominantly. So despite the glaring problems Zach was having, I don't think it's at all fair to assume he wouldn't have won last Sunday.
My man Ron Alexander's comment about some ppl refusing to believe actual facts says it all.
DWH writes an entire piece based on facts and objective analysis that proves the QB's W-L record is at best deceptive and at worst outright meaningless, and we STILL get posters saying DWH is just anti-Zach!
If you were to look at my posts from a month ago you would see that I was totally in the camp of "give Zach more time". I am not a hater. However, there is just no arguing that Mike White is better equipped mentally (which leads to physical success) to lead our team.
BTW, not one post here said White throws "40 yard lasers". DWH provided the stats for 20+ yd throws, it speaks for itself.
This from a guy who thought that Zach's win against Buffalo was "overstated." Of course you are being critical of Zach, just be honest. And 5-2 is 5-2. Let's not pretend otherwise, just because you have a hard-on for Zach.
This from a guy who thought that Zach's win against Buffalo was "overstated." Of course you are being critical of Zach, just be honest. And 5-2 is 5-2. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Are QB wins more or less credible than pitcher wins?