On December 20th, 1969, the Jets lost the AFL Championship game in Shea Stadium to the eventual Super Bowl champions KC Chiefs.
Namath after the game was asked about the disappointment of not going back to the Super Bowl. He acknowledged the disappointment but then said something to the effect of “we will be back there soon.”( paraphrased)
Unfortunately, after making the greatest prediction in NFL history, Broadway Joe’s “ be back there soon”, never came to fruition. Unlike General Douglas MacArthur, he did not return.
To put things in perspective, It took Moses 40 years to find the promised land for the Israelites, the Jets are going on 56 years in trying to return to THE game.
Since that bitter cold day at Shea, the Jets have employed 13 GMs, 16 HCs, have had 2 owners, one who really never got involved at all with the team ( Hess) and another who thinks he invented the game( Woody).
They have drafted 7 quarterbacks with their first round pick.
Counting Namath, Todd, O’Brien, Pennington, Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson. Throw in second rounders Smith and Hackenberg and the futility and disappointment is depressing.
Aside from the Parcells hiring, all the rest of the GM and HC hirings have all ended the same way, pink slips, pictures and awards in empty computer paper boxes and a security protected walk out the front gate, hey Herm, hey Mr Coffee, hey Gase, building keys please.
Parcells, when hired put all the fans into a frenzy, the Jet fan base reacted like a bunch of drooling, rabid dogs looking at a small, innocent,cute, cuddly, white rabbit.
The base smelled blood, Super Bowl blood, they were not to be denied.
The Parcells hiring was totally different than any other hiring.
It brought optimism to a fan base that had been beaten down due to bad luck, bad losses, bad hirings. He brought accountability.
Unfortunately fate, intervened, against Parcells. In the AFC championship game in Denver, with having a 10-0 lead in the third quarter, Parcells probably suffered the worse 23 minutes of his coaching career.
There were some players he referred to as his guys, the trusted veterans, the guys who knew what it took to win, they flopped.
Curtis and Byers fumbled at critical times. Vinnie 31 for 52, 356 yds yet two picks. Throw in a fumble by Alex Van Dyke ( second round bust). Dave Meggett totally misplayed a wind swept kickoff that turned into the highest onside kick recovery in NFL history.
Parcells later would admit, that of all the games that he ever coached, that Denver game was viewed by him as an automatic win, he was never so positive of a victory.
Throw in Hess’s cancer, Parcells personal service contract with Hess, Hess’s son wanting nothing to do with the Jets, Woody purchasing the Jets, both Parcells and Belichick meeting Woody before he became the owner, abracadabra both Parcells and Belichick quit. Pictures and awards in empty computer paper boxes and a security protected walk out the front gate, hey Tuna, hey Bill building keys, hand them over.
It appears that Glenn’s hiring is very different than any other Jet HC hiring
While Tuna’s hiring brought hope to the fan base.
Glenn’s brought hope to the franchise by the reactions of some of his ex Jet teammates.
A few were ecstatic, a few promised to be at his press conference tomorrow.
Victor Green when he heard about Glenn’s interview said if he is hired, wanted to be hired as an assistant coach for him.
By the way the vets are talking, if the Jets could mint coins, they would say “ In Aaron, we trust.”
They say Glenn has a little Parcells in him. Very big on accountability, something that seems hasn’t been here since, since, since, my god, since Parcells was here.
But the truth be told, we don’t know how he will be as a HC.
We don’t know how Mougey will be as GM.
Older Jet fans are tired, tired of the false hope that never comes, tired of the new HC’s pet phrases from All gas, no brakes, to kissing rings, to White House visits and of course “ You play to win the game” said by a coach who lost a playoff game by not playing to win the game. Please Aaron, no phrases. The base is phrased out.
Most older fans will have a wait and see approach. They will remain silent.
Yes, they will remain silent until the first 3 game losing streak, the first two minute warning screw up, then like the masses in the Roman coliseum, it will be thumbs down.
Mougey awaits the same fate. The first draft pick he cuts, the first draft pick who is a bust, the Torches and Pitchforks will be taken out of storage.
Hopefully Woody and his helpers finally got it right.
I would really love to see Glenn And Mougey get a contract extension due to success.
Only time will tell.
I would love to see Tannenbaum’s data on Grigson, Rex and brilliant Arthur Smith to show why they were interviewed.
I'd point out that the Israelites had God leading them. Whom do the Jets have leading them?? None other than our own Woody Johnson leading them. They may never find the "promised land" again.
As far as QBs the Jets have taken in the 1st and 2nd rounds since their SB victory, you forgot Browning Nagle who was taken in the 2nd round in the '91 draft.
You statement regarding accountability not being seen here since Parcells is inaccurate as well (or hyperbole) as Mangini held players accountable.
Herm lost a lot of games by not "playing to win."
Yes, I would love to see Tanny's data as well on those 3, as well as on the whole slate of HC and GM candidates, and be able to ask him why some candidates were included, and some others were not included as candidates who definitely should have been high on the list.
Wow! Tyler Warren is my favorite player in this draft. For those of you that checked the “NO” box you might want to check out his film. I have to disagree strongly with David on Warren’s athleticism being less than Bowers. Just an old coach’s opinion but I think he’s one of the best athletes in this class. (Check out his high school video). Now, as for taking him at “7”? Well, that would depend on who was available when we are up. Mason Graham is my #1 wish. We need a dominant DT more than a TE. And Warren’s Penn St. teammate Abdul Carter is my#2. I understand that with JJ back another DE will not be an absolute necessity but Carter is a special talent any decent DC will be able to utilize in a myriad of ways. So, seeing as the QB’s are gonna be long gone by pick 7 if we’re not taking Warren, or the QB’s, and A.Carter, M. Graham, Travis Hunter, Mich. CB Will Johnson will likely follow them off the board then who else might energize our offense like Tyler Warren? In my Jet’s group I’m still seeing fans pissed off we passed on Bowers to draft a OT. Do I agree with them on that? No! We needed a LT. Would a RT be a good option at 7? Absolutely. But I don’t see any RT’s in this class that would provide more value than Tyler Warren. I see Warren as a better TE than any of the OT’s are at their positions. And let’s remember there is always a possibility we might move down a few spots to pick up additional draft capital.
I think you're spot on about Abdul Carter. That fella is brimming with talent and All-Pro ability. Any defensive coordinator worth his salt would be able to figure out how to utilize three very different types of pass rushers. I'd also point out that Jermaine Johnson tore his achilles, so he is in for a long and arduous recovery. Achilles injuries involve a 9-12 month recovery time, so there is some wiggle room on the timeline. He went down in mid-September, so the absolute earliest that he'd conceivably get back is the end of the summer. It's also important to note that guys are usually not back to the player they were pre-injury until a year after they come back. One more pass rusher wouldn't be a crazy move. Still....Tyler Warren, if he were there and nobody else was around that made sense, would be a pretty good get. He sounds like a total animal, he'd bring a confidence and nastiness to the offense. The best offenses out there have stellar tight ends, and it's rare that you have a chance to snag a guy who projects as a legit in-line tight end who is also a receiving threat.
Johnson is a question mark, but with the new procedure, Achilles injuries no longer are necessarily 9-12 month recovery periods. I read a report the other day that Johnson is doing great and has already achieved symmetry with his Achilles tendons. If he doesn't push it too fast and re-tear or tear his other one, he could be good to go day one of the season. Look at how fast Rodgers came back and he was 40. It took Rodgers a while to get comfortable and confident, but it may not take JJ that long.
Carter is defintitely a great prospect, but based on what I've been reading, he could be the #1 pick in the draft and almost certainly won't be there at #7. If he is, the Jets might have to take him, especially since their HC is a former DC, but I hope that they won't feel they have to. Thankfully, I don't think he will be there, and they'd better not even think about trading up for him.
Remember that Watts and McGregor showed some flashes this past season and with a year's experience and perhaps better coaching one or both could take a big step forward this year. Still as you said, taking another pass rusher wouldn't be crazy, but if Rodgers isn't with the Jets this season, they may be lucky to win 6 games even with improved D play. So they could be drafting early again next year. If they don't have to trade up they could take their QB in the 1st round and an Edge in the 2nd round.
They also could look to take an Edge in the 2nd round this year.
Yep Warren could be a great get. It concerns me that he only started his Sr. year, but his ypc average remained pretty consistent all 4 years at around 12 ypc.
Snizer, well said. I get your thinking. But I can’t get past the idea of maybe taking a B+ talent OT over a A+ talent TE like Warren. His blocking is outstanding. I watched the two Penn St. playoff games with 3 guys I coached HC football with. One of them was former Panthers/ Giants GM Dave Gettleman. We couldn’t stop talking about Warren’s blocking. He was blocking at the line and then moving up to the second and third levels and just burying dudes! This kid loves football.
agreed! Graham is my #1 followed closely by Carter and then Warren. I wouldn’t completely ignore position priorities as DT is our #1 need. As for Carter, he’s just a freak athlete that’s too good to pass on. But him being there at 7 is just a pipe dream 😂
I'm not certain that DT is the Jets #1 need. They need a run-stuffing DT, but not necessarily one who can rush the QB. Good run-stuffing NTs can be found cheaply in FA and in the mid-to-lower rounds of the draft.
In addition, the Jets have Watts that can play some DT, and added Phidarian Mathis who was a very good prospect coming out of college. They could add an older, run stuffing NT like Woods from a couple of years ago cheaply in FA, and there no longer would be such a big need at NT. While I'd love to add Graham, I think he would be a bit of a luxury when the Jets only have 1 TE, and maybe only 1 quality WR on the roster, no quality Safeties, and no starting-caliber RT or future QB.
QB should probably be taken care of in the draft next year. IMO the Jets shouldn't draft either a S or RT in the 1st round this year. Unless a S prospect is said to be the 2nd coming of Ed Reed, I would never draft a S in the 1st round, especially the first half of the 1st round. As for RT, they don't need another 1st round pick to have a solid starter at RT. They already have Fashanu and AVT who were 1st round picks and Tippman was a 2nd round pick. That's close to having too much cap space tied up in the OL by the time Fashanu and Tippman get 2nd contracts, and that RT won't be far behind, and AVT will most likely already have gotten a 2nd contract. I think they need to find their future RT in the 2nd or 3rd round and then develop him. I realize that's a novel concept for the Jets, but that's what the best teams do.
So I'm hoping that they trade down to around #15 and take Warren.
The key to being a successful team is finding guys in the later rounds. Unfortunately the Jets haven't been able to do that. Hopefully it changes with the new regime.
Like your draft thinking. I’m for ensuring DL/OL are locked down with pick 1&2. Based on experience and contracts of current players on both it feels this would be the smart thing to do in this draft. Get the shinny additions(skill players) later or through other means. Unfortunately I’d feel it’s not the right time to take Warren. Not taking any thing away from his talent and abilities.
Sorry, but I disagree. How many #1 picks do you want on the DL and OL? When you do that, you get too much cap space tied up in those units and then there's not enough cap space to have topnotch playmakers on offense and defense or at QB.
The Jets don't need Graham. He would be a luxury. They just need a solid run-stuffing NT, and those can be found pretty cheaply in FA and in the mid-to-lower rounds of the draft. The Jets already have Q, McDonald and JJ who had 1st round picks used on them. Having all 4 DL be 1st round picks is excessive.
Similarly, the Jets already have two 1st round picks on their OL: Fashanu and AVT, and Tippman was a 2nd round pick. They should be able to find another 2nd or even 3rd round RT that they can develop for a year behind Moses who will be a solid starter.
You do bring up a good point about roster construction. There are, likely, better ways to allocate resources than to spend absurd amounts of money on four first round defensive linemen. The only caveat might be Jermaine Johnson, since he will likely take some time to rebound from the injury. I'm not sure whether that would bleed into his value once he negotiates a second contract, though. They'll have to make a decision after this season on whether to pick up his 5th year option. Suffice to say, there will be some difficult discussions about his value (on his part and on the team's part). It's a good thought, however, for the Jets to consider the best allocation of resources.
Ron, I love Warren, but I have to disagree with you that we need a DT more than we need a TE. All we need is a run-stuffing NT. Those can often be found in FA and in the 4th round or lower of the draft. Having a stud NT prospect who can also rush the QB is a luxury at this point. I'm actually really surprised that you said that.
The Jets offense needs fixing. They have few playmakers in the receiving positions. At TE, Ruckert is the only one under contract for the coming season. IMO Conklin isn't worth re-signing as the starter. If they want to re-sign him as the #2 fine, but doubt that he'd be amenable to that. At WR, they only have Wilson, Adams, Corley, and Gipson under contract. Adams may not be back, but even if he is, he is a shadow of the player he was. They have no idea what they have in Corley, and he may be a bust. I've seen quite a few Jets fans who think Gipson should be cut. Wilson is rumored to be very unhappy on the Jets and may ask to be traded. IMO, aside from QB, the Jets' biggest need is at offensive playmaker, so they need to add either a topnotch TE or WR prospect.
In the NFL playoffs as well as the college playoffs we've had a clear example of what speed and/or a topnotch playmaker does for a team. I wish we could draft that Smith kid out of Ohio St., but I read that he won't be eligible for another 2 years. I would love to add Tetairoa McMillan from AZ. He is the top WR prospect and is 6'5". The problem is the Jets would have to take him at #7 based on what I've read so far about the draft and looking the rankings, so I think if the Jets decide to stay put or can't trade down, he should be the pick. If they can trade down, they will lose him but Warren could still be there at #15. I don't know how this WR class stacks up against last year's WR class, but there at least seems to be a lot more tall WRs in this class than I remember seeing before.
Also available at that pick should be Luther Burden (but he's too short at 5'11"), Emeka Egbuka (6'1"), and Tre Harris (6'3"). There are quite a few other tall WRs who sound like they might be good prospects that the Jets could pick up in the 2nd - 4th rounds that are 6'2" or taller - Jayden Higgins (Iowa St., 6'4"), Tory Horton (Colorado St., 6'3"), Savion Williams (TCU, 6'5"), Pat Bryant (Illinois , 6'3"), Dont'e Thornton Jr. (Tennessee, 6'5"), Jack Bech (TCU, 6'2"), Elic Ayomanor (Stanford, 6'2"), Kyren Lacy (LSU, 6'2"), and Theo Wease, Jr. (Missouri, 6'2"). I'm sure there are others who will be available in the 5th round or lower.
If I was the GM and able to trade down to #15, at least at this point, I'd take Warren at #15. Unless I thought Watts or McGregor was ready to take on a more significant role at Edge, I'd probably look to take an Edge with one of my 2nd round picks, but I'd look to take one of the tall WRs I listed above with the other 2nd round pick. With the 3rd round pick (if the Jets have one or acquire one in the trade down) I'd look to take a S or RT. With the 4th (or two 4ths if I didn't get a 3rd for trading down, I'd look to take a run-stuffing NT and S or RT. I'd still have two 5th round picks and two 6th round picks to IOL depth, maybe take a flyer on a QB, take another WR, another TE or S, and maybe another NT prospect.
Anyone not excited about Warren has not seen him play. Penn St QB is terrible. They would run an O that completely depended on Warren as the only weapon and he still dominated. The guy can everything literally - run, block, catch and even throw. Great hands and YAC.
His numbers are unique, too. That offense, last year, relied HEAVILY on the ground game. Nobody had more than 53 catches or 670 yards, and Tyler Warren was, actually, the second leading receiver with 34 catches and 420 yards (he split time with eventual 4th round pick Theo Johnson, who had 34 catches and 300ish yards). The running backs (both of whom are going to be possible first half of the draft guys next year) were the heart of the offense. This past season, they STILL were the heart of the Penn State offense, but for whatever reason, Warren's production exploded to over a 100 catches and over a 1k yards. Strange offense, but that fella is a horse.
Reading today’s TJW and other, less comprehensive pieces, keeps me continuing to focus on the Jets organizational design. The insanity is they, as we all know, keep going through cycles of coaches/gm’s. IMO the issue is they report to Woody vs a real strong, football experienced VP of Football Operations(or other title). Unfortunately without this position between them you will get the non football experienced, emotional, Madden informed owner thinking he knows what’s best. The cycle will repeat. The last 15 years has been a disaster, embarrassment and laughing stock for this team. Does Woody have the kahunes to add this position and get the heck out of the way?
Agree with above getting the GM structure right is another critical organizational design element. No organization is successful if you can’t bring in talent during acquisition season and know when to say goodbye to players on the roster. I hope org structure and Mougy’s vision are strong enough to succeed and ward off our onerous owners qb wishes or Madden informed judgements.
The comment that Glenn will bring in a strong staff is music to my ears. I hope that includes an OC, DC and ST coaches who can do the same and he’s not going to be HC/DC. Further, I also hope he has a strong “bench” coach. A guy whose been an HC before but wants to be around cause he’s been there before and can help Glenn’s maturing as a HC. It’s a huge effort to establish team and locker room culture, coach up talent, game plan, game manage and lead the staff. It’s a lot to grow into. Having help will accelerate his HC maturity.
Of course the Jets need a VP of Football Operations and for Woody to step aside and quit meddling, but I don't see that ever happening. In fact, I'm hearing more and more about his teenage son, Brick, making comments and suggestions, so I think it's probably only going to get worse before it gets better. Once Woody gets too old, his son Brick will like be right there doing the same thing.
We can live in hope that the hold up in finalizing Mougey as the GM was that he was insisting on Woody not meddling and that Woody caved, but I'd be shocked if that were the case. Supposedly, he admitted that he had screwed up by firing Saleh when he did, and maybe even for forcing the Rodgers trade. We can only hope that this is the case, and that maybe he is learning that he doesn't know jack and will step back and eventually hire that VP of Football Operations. For now, we can hope that for at least the next year, he will give Glenn and Mougey free rein and not meddle.
As far as DC, if it's true that Wilks has accepted the spot, then he is an experienced DC and former HC. So he will be that experienced sounding board and "bench coach" for Glenn and should enable Glenn to focus on being the CEO and focusing more on offense.
The OC position imo was the most important hire on the CS, and it's not looking good. The two best names that I saw associated with the position were Klint Kubiak and John Morton. Kubial was just hired by the Seahawks as their OC, and Morton is in discussion with the Lions. With having no QB and the specter of Rodgers still being here, I have a feeling the Jets aren't going to get either an experienced or a quality GM. It's ominous that Downing and Hackett are still on the payroll. The only other name I've seen associated with the OC job is Nick Caley of the Rams, and imo would be highly questionable as the OC. It could be a week or so or longer before Glenn meets with and makes up his mind on Rodgers, and Rodgers may want additional time to think about it after Glenn sets his expectations of Rodgers. So it could conceivably be a month or more before the Jets are ready and able to hire an OC. By that time, all the best position coaches will be hired. It's pathetic. The Jets were the first to fire their HC, and one of the last to hire their HC, and it looks like they will be the last to get their CS put together. God help us!
On the press conference today introducing Glenn and Mougey, it became clear that Hymie Elhai is now the President of Football Operations and Mougey and Glenn will be reporting to him.
Bobber: totally understand and get it.......but, what QB's are out there? You want to go into next season with Rodgers @ QB again? He's a statue back in the pocket, and we need a QB that not only can pass the ball downfield, but can scramble/run and pick up positive yardage when needed! Stafford is 36 and has 2 yrs left on his contract. Rodgers is going on 42, and he's just not mobile anymore! Tell me and say Rodgers by new HC/GM, decide they don't want him, and/or Rodgers just retires? Tell me what next at the most important position on the field would you do? Go into next season with Tyrod Taylor at the helm? Justin Fields as a signed FA? Give some options?
As far as I'm concerned, the only real options for backup QB to Taylor are Fields, Marcus Mariota, and Jameis Winston. It's going to have to be someone cheaper and who is halfway decent. If Rodgers isn't back, I hope it's not Winston. He's an interception machine, but at least they'd be passing the ball a lot. Fields or Mariota are the best options imo.
Costello of the Post, speculates that either Mike Tannenbaum or Rick Spielman could be retained by the Jets in some sort of advisory position. Not sure how I feel about this. Like Mougey as GM, but he is a first year guy, prefer Spielman. I think this is about navigating through the Rodgers decision and the initial strategy on CAP decisions, not the current forte of the current Asst. GM Phil Savage
I hope that doesn't happen at all. That would just delay things further as it would lead to more discussion and delay. If that happens, I certainly hope that it's Spielman. If it's Tanny, I'm heading for the exit door.
If Mougey and Glenn aren't competent to handle the decision about Rodgers and the cap, then they never should have been hired in the first place! That's why Dimitroff, Sulilvan or Newmark should have been the GM hire!
I would trade this #7 pick to the Rams for Matthew Stafford! Why not! Seems from reading other articles on the Rams and especially with Stafford, is that he may no longer be wanted there, and also with this move, hire Nick Caley from the Rams as the new OC for the Jets. Do it!
With all do respect,one of the reasons why the Jets have sucked over the years is because of trades like you purposed
Who in their right mind would trade the 7th pick in the draft for a 37 year old quarterback with a history of bad backs.
I have no problem with Caley, unfortunately he is in demand and can choose where he wants to go. It’s not that simple to say sign him, he has the leverage.
Sim? Seriously 😳 No frigg’n way am I trading that pick. I love Stafford but the retirement word has come up with him way too often to go that route. We have gone down this road so many times with aging veteran QB’s. Vinny ( Achilles) Fitz, Farve, Boomer, Flacco and now Rodgers? Hey, get me Sam or someone to compete with TT and see how the 2025 QB class plays out! It won’t include Arch Manny who I see playing at least two more seasons at Texas.
No, absolutely not! That's a terrible idea! First of all, it would never work capwise. Second of all, you'd be dooming the Jets to not getting a young QB for another 3-4 years or at least 2 years, and by that time the Jets may be hiring a new HC and GM again.
If Stafford isn't wanted there, it's because he's inconsistent. That's why the Lions traded him to the Rams in the first place. He self destructs.
I have hopes that Mougey will work out, but little confidence. Yes, there's a tone of decisions to be made that will have a HUGE impact upon the team for the foreseeable future. He'd better get most of them right, particularly at QB. At least the Jets got the deal done. For a while, it looked like something was going to fail with his hiring, and then the GM would have been Brown, at which point, I would have headed for the exit from Jets football.
Glenn better be working his ass off to find a good OC. The best two experienced OCs that I've seen connected with the Jets at all were Klint Kubiak and John Morton. Kubiak was just hired by Seattle, and Morton may be Detroit's new OC. That is THE key hiring for Glenn, and so far it looks like he has utterly failed. I'm going to take a wait and see approach, but he's moving far too slowly in his hires. I don't like Nick Caley's background at all. It's weird. It's hard to tell looking at his resume on wiki, but he spent 7 years in graduate school or in colleges being graduate assistants, Adminstrative Assistant, or Secondary Coach. Then, when he got to the NFL with the Patriots, he was an Offensive Assistant, whatever that means, for a couple of years, then became a TE Coach. Until this past season, he had only coached TEs and FBs. This past season he was also Passing Game Coordinator. He has zero experience coaching QBs, or WR, or OL, or RBs. I'd prefer my OC to have had experience coaching at least two, if not three different offensive position groups. FB doesn't count, since it's pretty much an obsolete position, and only a handful of teams still have/use a FB.
I'm glad that I wasn't drinking coffee when I read today's column. When I got to the bit about the 33rd team using a "data-driven approach to get the right candidates in the building" I would have spewed coffee everywhere. I have never seen a bigger slate of incompetent candidates for HC. Most of the GM candidates were good, that was surprising. But if that slew of HC candidates was the best in the 33rd Team's opinion, they should never be hired again by an NFL team. That was a joke, and a bad joke at that.
Based on the 2-3 times I saw Warren play in the collegiate playoffs, he seems to be a great prospect, but taking a look at his college stats, he did next to NOTHING his first 3 years and didn't even start. So he has one year of high level production. He could get overdrafted because of that one year, but it shouldn't be by the Jets. They desperately a TE who is both an excellent receiver and blocker, but he's too risky at #7. Even if the Jets trade down into the mid-to-late teens or early 20s (which I think they should, and hope they will be able to do), I'm not sure I'd take him. It seems to me he ought to be a 2nd or maybe even a 3rd round pick.
I think the Jets 1st round pick should be a WR. The Jets only have Wilson, Adams, Corley, and Gipson under contract. There's no guarantees that Adams will be back, and the Jets don't know what they have, if anything, in Corley. In addition, Wilson is thought to not be happy with the Jets and he may be asking for a trade. I'd love for them to get the McMillan kid from AZ. He's 6'4" or 6'5", pretty fast for his size and supposedly a good route runner. The problem is, I really think that they need to trade down. They're going to lose quite a few players in FA, including several starters and top backups. They have dire needs at QB, WR, TE, S, RT, and DT, and probably need to add an Edge since JJ is coming off of the Achilles tear, and McDonald can't set the Edge.
The D has the most talent and has played at the highest level until this past season. The Jets have few real playmakers on offense. They need a QB of the future and a bookend RT. I think they should probably wait until next year to draft a QB however, as this class isn't very good. If they take a QB in the 1st round, it's going to be like reaching for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th-round prospect. I'm not much on "taking a flyer" on a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, either. Most of those guys don't work out, and it winds up just being a wasted pick that they could have used to address another position of need.
I've seen conflicting reports on the Jets draft picks. I know that they were going to have to give the Raiders either a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Adams. Thankfully, Adams didn't reach the target stats, so it will be a 3rd round pick. I remember reading somewhere that the Jets had added a 3rd round pick in some trade or move, but that isn't showing up on the latest lists of Jets draft picks. So, if they don't have 3rd round pick, it's all the more important that they trade down and try to add an additional 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick or additional 4th round pick. IMO the Jets need to come out of the first 4 rounds with a tall (at least 6'3") WR, a RT, a S, TE, NT, and an Edge, but there aren't enough picks to do that, unless they traded down again in the 2nd and add a 3rd or 4th. Hopefully, they can address at least one of S, TE, and NT positions significantly with a solid starter in FA, and hopefully two of them. If Moses isn't in their plans or doesn't want to come back, then they need to add a RT in FA as well. If Rodgers isn't going to be back, they need to add a veteran backup QB in FA as well.
I don't envy Meugey at all. He definitely has his work cut out for him and will earn every $ he gets this year (at least he'd better, or the Jets won't see the playoffs again in some of our lifetime).
If the JETS bring back Rodgers, we are doomed. It is time to start the rebuild and move on. Drop Adams, make sure Garrett stays. I’m on the fence with CJ - great player but even though he is a leader, time for young blood. If we do this right, 2-3 seasons from now we could be playoff contenders. It will be worth the wait to move in the correct direction. I’m tired of band-aids and it is the a key factor in changing the culture. We need something to look forward to and if I have to see #8 in green and white for another year, I believe depression will set in!
Not for nothing, but didn't Stafford, once traded out of Detroit to the Rams, win a Super Bowl? Just saying......and I know Stafford is 36, and he can control the QB position for the next 2 years as the Jets finally either have a QB in Jordan Travis, who's coming back from a major leg injured, or draft in the middle rounds of this year; Jaxson Dart out of Ole Miss, to let him learn and work behind Stafford. Give me some other options here.........You really think having Rodgers back is the way to go?
Thanks for posting the info, but I can't click like on that. I was really hoping to keep him. I'm hating the Glenn hiring more and more. He is moving WAAAAY too slowly in hiring his staff. If he was such a great candidate/prospect, he shouldn't be having this much trouble putting together his staff.
On December 20th, 1969, the Jets lost the AFL Championship game in Shea Stadium to the eventual Super Bowl champions KC Chiefs.
Namath after the game was asked about the disappointment of not going back to the Super Bowl. He acknowledged the disappointment but then said something to the effect of “we will be back there soon.”( paraphrased)
Unfortunately, after making the greatest prediction in NFL history, Broadway Joe’s “ be back there soon”, never came to fruition. Unlike General Douglas MacArthur, he did not return.
To put things in perspective, It took Moses 40 years to find the promised land for the Israelites, the Jets are going on 56 years in trying to return to THE game.
Since that bitter cold day at Shea, the Jets have employed 13 GMs, 16 HCs, have had 2 owners, one who really never got involved at all with the team ( Hess) and another who thinks he invented the game( Woody).
They have drafted 7 quarterbacks with their first round pick.
Counting Namath, Todd, O’Brien, Pennington, Sanchez, Darnold and Wilson. Throw in second rounders Smith and Hackenberg and the futility and disappointment is depressing.
Aside from the Parcells hiring, all the rest of the GM and HC hirings have all ended the same way, pink slips, pictures and awards in empty computer paper boxes and a security protected walk out the front gate, hey Herm, hey Mr Coffee, hey Gase, building keys please.
Parcells, when hired put all the fans into a frenzy, the Jet fan base reacted like a bunch of drooling, rabid dogs looking at a small, innocent,cute, cuddly, white rabbit.
The base smelled blood, Super Bowl blood, they were not to be denied.
The Parcells hiring was totally different than any other hiring.
It brought optimism to a fan base that had been beaten down due to bad luck, bad losses, bad hirings. He brought accountability.
Unfortunately fate, intervened, against Parcells. In the AFC championship game in Denver, with having a 10-0 lead in the third quarter, Parcells probably suffered the worse 23 minutes of his coaching career.
There were some players he referred to as his guys, the trusted veterans, the guys who knew what it took to win, they flopped.
Curtis and Byers fumbled at critical times. Vinnie 31 for 52, 356 yds yet two picks. Throw in a fumble by Alex Van Dyke ( second round bust). Dave Meggett totally misplayed a wind swept kickoff that turned into the highest onside kick recovery in NFL history.
Parcells later would admit, that of all the games that he ever coached, that Denver game was viewed by him as an automatic win, he was never so positive of a victory.
Throw in Hess’s cancer, Parcells personal service contract with Hess, Hess’s son wanting nothing to do with the Jets, Woody purchasing the Jets, both Parcells and Belichick meeting Woody before he became the owner, abracadabra both Parcells and Belichick quit. Pictures and awards in empty computer paper boxes and a security protected walk out the front gate, hey Tuna, hey Bill building keys, hand them over.
It appears that Glenn’s hiring is very different than any other Jet HC hiring
While Tuna’s hiring brought hope to the fan base.
Glenn’s brought hope to the franchise by the reactions of some of his ex Jet teammates.
A few were ecstatic, a few promised to be at his press conference tomorrow.
Victor Green when he heard about Glenn’s interview said if he is hired, wanted to be hired as an assistant coach for him.
By the way the vets are talking, if the Jets could mint coins, they would say “ In Aaron, we trust.”
They say Glenn has a little Parcells in him. Very big on accountability, something that seems hasn’t been here since, since, since, my god, since Parcells was here.
But the truth be told, we don’t know how he will be as a HC.
We don’t know how Mougey will be as GM.
Older Jet fans are tired, tired of the false hope that never comes, tired of the new HC’s pet phrases from All gas, no brakes, to kissing rings, to White House visits and of course “ You play to win the game” said by a coach who lost a playoff game by not playing to win the game. Please Aaron, no phrases. The base is phrased out.
Most older fans will have a wait and see approach. They will remain silent.
Yes, they will remain silent until the first 3 game losing streak, the first two minute warning screw up, then like the masses in the Roman coliseum, it will be thumbs down.
Mougey awaits the same fate. The first draft pick he cuts, the first draft pick who is a bust, the Torches and Pitchforks will be taken out of storage.
Hopefully Woody and his helpers finally got it right.
I would really love to see Glenn And Mougey get a contract extension due to success.
Only time will tell.
I would love to see Tannenbaum’s data on Grigson, Rex and brilliant Arthur Smith to show why they were interviewed.
Bobber, great and entertaining read as usual.
I'd point out that the Israelites had God leading them. Whom do the Jets have leading them?? None other than our own Woody Johnson leading them. They may never find the "promised land" again.
As far as QBs the Jets have taken in the 1st and 2nd rounds since their SB victory, you forgot Browning Nagle who was taken in the 2nd round in the '91 draft.
You statement regarding accountability not being seen here since Parcells is inaccurate as well (or hyperbole) as Mangini held players accountable.
Herm lost a lot of games by not "playing to win."
Yes, I would love to see Tanny's data as well on those 3, as well as on the whole slate of HC and GM candidates, and be able to ask him why some candidates were included, and some others were not included as candidates who definitely should have been high on the list.
I forgot about the Browning Rifle
I should hire you to be my proof reader and fact checker
ROFLMAO!!! I had to Google it all to make sure tha my memory was correct.
Wow! Tyler Warren is my favorite player in this draft. For those of you that checked the “NO” box you might want to check out his film. I have to disagree strongly with David on Warren’s athleticism being less than Bowers. Just an old coach’s opinion but I think he’s one of the best athletes in this class. (Check out his high school video). Now, as for taking him at “7”? Well, that would depend on who was available when we are up. Mason Graham is my #1 wish. We need a dominant DT more than a TE. And Warren’s Penn St. teammate Abdul Carter is my#2. I understand that with JJ back another DE will not be an absolute necessity but Carter is a special talent any decent DC will be able to utilize in a myriad of ways. So, seeing as the QB’s are gonna be long gone by pick 7 if we’re not taking Warren, or the QB’s, and A.Carter, M. Graham, Travis Hunter, Mich. CB Will Johnson will likely follow them off the board then who else might energize our offense like Tyler Warren? In my Jet’s group I’m still seeing fans pissed off we passed on Bowers to draft a OT. Do I agree with them on that? No! We needed a LT. Would a RT be a good option at 7? Absolutely. But I don’t see any RT’s in this class that would provide more value than Tyler Warren. I see Warren as a better TE than any of the OT’s are at their positions. And let’s remember there is always a possibility we might move down a few spots to pick up additional draft capital.
I think you're spot on about Abdul Carter. That fella is brimming with talent and All-Pro ability. Any defensive coordinator worth his salt would be able to figure out how to utilize three very different types of pass rushers. I'd also point out that Jermaine Johnson tore his achilles, so he is in for a long and arduous recovery. Achilles injuries involve a 9-12 month recovery time, so there is some wiggle room on the timeline. He went down in mid-September, so the absolute earliest that he'd conceivably get back is the end of the summer. It's also important to note that guys are usually not back to the player they were pre-injury until a year after they come back. One more pass rusher wouldn't be a crazy move. Still....Tyler Warren, if he were there and nobody else was around that made sense, would be a pretty good get. He sounds like a total animal, he'd bring a confidence and nastiness to the offense. The best offenses out there have stellar tight ends, and it's rare that you have a chance to snag a guy who projects as a legit in-line tight end who is also a receiving threat.
Johnson is a question mark, but with the new procedure, Achilles injuries no longer are necessarily 9-12 month recovery periods. I read a report the other day that Johnson is doing great and has already achieved symmetry with his Achilles tendons. If he doesn't push it too fast and re-tear or tear his other one, he could be good to go day one of the season. Look at how fast Rodgers came back and he was 40. It took Rodgers a while to get comfortable and confident, but it may not take JJ that long.
Carter is defintitely a great prospect, but based on what I've been reading, he could be the #1 pick in the draft and almost certainly won't be there at #7. If he is, the Jets might have to take him, especially since their HC is a former DC, but I hope that they won't feel they have to. Thankfully, I don't think he will be there, and they'd better not even think about trading up for him.
Remember that Watts and McGregor showed some flashes this past season and with a year's experience and perhaps better coaching one or both could take a big step forward this year. Still as you said, taking another pass rusher wouldn't be crazy, but if Rodgers isn't with the Jets this season, they may be lucky to win 6 games even with improved D play. So they could be drafting early again next year. If they don't have to trade up they could take their QB in the 1st round and an Edge in the 2nd round.
They also could look to take an Edge in the 2nd round this year.
Yep Warren could be a great get. It concerns me that he only started his Sr. year, but his ypc average remained pretty consistent all 4 years at around 12 ypc.
Snizer, well said. I get your thinking. But I can’t get past the idea of maybe taking a B+ talent OT over a A+ talent TE like Warren. His blocking is outstanding. I watched the two Penn St. playoff games with 3 guys I coached HC football with. One of them was former Panthers/ Giants GM Dave Gettleman. We couldn’t stop talking about Warren’s blocking. He was blocking at the line and then moving up to the second and third levels and just burying dudes! This kid loves football.
Great info on Warren. I could see a scenario where he is taken by Jets. But if Mason falls to them…..
agreed! Graham is my #1 followed closely by Carter and then Warren. I wouldn’t completely ignore position priorities as DT is our #1 need. As for Carter, he’s just a freak athlete that’s too good to pass on. But him being there at 7 is just a pipe dream 😂
I'm not certain that DT is the Jets #1 need. They need a run-stuffing DT, but not necessarily one who can rush the QB. Good run-stuffing NTs can be found cheaply in FA and in the mid-to-lower rounds of the draft.
In addition, the Jets have Watts that can play some DT, and added Phidarian Mathis who was a very good prospect coming out of college. They could add an older, run stuffing NT like Woods from a couple of years ago cheaply in FA, and there no longer would be such a big need at NT. While I'd love to add Graham, I think he would be a bit of a luxury when the Jets only have 1 TE, and maybe only 1 quality WR on the roster, no quality Safeties, and no starting-caliber RT or future QB.
QB should probably be taken care of in the draft next year. IMO the Jets shouldn't draft either a S or RT in the 1st round this year. Unless a S prospect is said to be the 2nd coming of Ed Reed, I would never draft a S in the 1st round, especially the first half of the 1st round. As for RT, they don't need another 1st round pick to have a solid starter at RT. They already have Fashanu and AVT who were 1st round picks and Tippman was a 2nd round pick. That's close to having too much cap space tied up in the OL by the time Fashanu and Tippman get 2nd contracts, and that RT won't be far behind, and AVT will most likely already have gotten a 2nd contract. I think they need to find their future RT in the 2nd or 3rd round and then develop him. I realize that's a novel concept for the Jets, but that's what the best teams do.
So I'm hoping that they trade down to around #15 and take Warren.
The key to being a successful team is finding guys in the later rounds. Unfortunately the Jets haven't been able to do that. Hopefully it changes with the new regime.
JD actually found quite a few in the later rounds and as UDFAs. That's one of the reasons that the Jets have as much talent as they do.
Like your draft thinking. I’m for ensuring DL/OL are locked down with pick 1&2. Based on experience and contracts of current players on both it feels this would be the smart thing to do in this draft. Get the shinny additions(skill players) later or through other means. Unfortunately I’d feel it’s not the right time to take Warren. Not taking any thing away from his talent and abilities.
Sorry, but I disagree. How many #1 picks do you want on the DL and OL? When you do that, you get too much cap space tied up in those units and then there's not enough cap space to have topnotch playmakers on offense and defense or at QB.
The Jets don't need Graham. He would be a luxury. They just need a solid run-stuffing NT, and those can be found pretty cheaply in FA and in the mid-to-lower rounds of the draft. The Jets already have Q, McDonald and JJ who had 1st round picks used on them. Having all 4 DL be 1st round picks is excessive.
Similarly, the Jets already have two 1st round picks on their OL: Fashanu and AVT, and Tippman was a 2nd round pick. They should be able to find another 2nd or even 3rd round RT that they can develop for a year behind Moses who will be a solid starter.
You do bring up a good point about roster construction. There are, likely, better ways to allocate resources than to spend absurd amounts of money on four first round defensive linemen. The only caveat might be Jermaine Johnson, since he will likely take some time to rebound from the injury. I'm not sure whether that would bleed into his value once he negotiates a second contract, though. They'll have to make a decision after this season on whether to pick up his 5th year option. Suffice to say, there will be some difficult discussions about his value (on his part and on the team's part). It's a good thought, however, for the Jets to consider the best allocation of resources.
Ron, I love Warren, but I have to disagree with you that we need a DT more than we need a TE. All we need is a run-stuffing NT. Those can often be found in FA and in the 4th round or lower of the draft. Having a stud NT prospect who can also rush the QB is a luxury at this point. I'm actually really surprised that you said that.
The Jets offense needs fixing. They have few playmakers in the receiving positions. At TE, Ruckert is the only one under contract for the coming season. IMO Conklin isn't worth re-signing as the starter. If they want to re-sign him as the #2 fine, but doubt that he'd be amenable to that. At WR, they only have Wilson, Adams, Corley, and Gipson under contract. Adams may not be back, but even if he is, he is a shadow of the player he was. They have no idea what they have in Corley, and he may be a bust. I've seen quite a few Jets fans who think Gipson should be cut. Wilson is rumored to be very unhappy on the Jets and may ask to be traded. IMO, aside from QB, the Jets' biggest need is at offensive playmaker, so they need to add either a topnotch TE or WR prospect.
In the NFL playoffs as well as the college playoffs we've had a clear example of what speed and/or a topnotch playmaker does for a team. I wish we could draft that Smith kid out of Ohio St., but I read that he won't be eligible for another 2 years. I would love to add Tetairoa McMillan from AZ. He is the top WR prospect and is 6'5". The problem is the Jets would have to take him at #7 based on what I've read so far about the draft and looking the rankings, so I think if the Jets decide to stay put or can't trade down, he should be the pick. If they can trade down, they will lose him but Warren could still be there at #15. I don't know how this WR class stacks up against last year's WR class, but there at least seems to be a lot more tall WRs in this class than I remember seeing before.
Also available at that pick should be Luther Burden (but he's too short at 5'11"), Emeka Egbuka (6'1"), and Tre Harris (6'3"). There are quite a few other tall WRs who sound like they might be good prospects that the Jets could pick up in the 2nd - 4th rounds that are 6'2" or taller - Jayden Higgins (Iowa St., 6'4"), Tory Horton (Colorado St., 6'3"), Savion Williams (TCU, 6'5"), Pat Bryant (Illinois , 6'3"), Dont'e Thornton Jr. (Tennessee, 6'5"), Jack Bech (TCU, 6'2"), Elic Ayomanor (Stanford, 6'2"), Kyren Lacy (LSU, 6'2"), and Theo Wease, Jr. (Missouri, 6'2"). I'm sure there are others who will be available in the 5th round or lower.
If I was the GM and able to trade down to #15, at least at this point, I'd take Warren at #15. Unless I thought Watts or McGregor was ready to take on a more significant role at Edge, I'd probably look to take an Edge with one of my 2nd round picks, but I'd look to take one of the tall WRs I listed above with the other 2nd round pick. With the 3rd round pick (if the Jets have one or acquire one in the trade down) I'd look to take a S or RT. With the 4th (or two 4ths if I didn't get a 3rd for trading down, I'd look to take a run-stuffing NT and S or RT. I'd still have two 5th round picks and two 6th round picks to IOL depth, maybe take a flyer on a QB, take another WR, another TE or S, and maybe another NT prospect.
Hey buddy, you been watching the Eagles lately?
Just the game yesterday. Why?
Supposedly this year’s draft has two tiers
First one is Carter
Second Everyone else
Anyone not excited about Warren has not seen him play. Penn St QB is terrible. They would run an O that completely depended on Warren as the only weapon and he still dominated. The guy can everything literally - run, block, catch and even throw. Great hands and YAC.
His numbers are unique, too. That offense, last year, relied HEAVILY on the ground game. Nobody had more than 53 catches or 670 yards, and Tyler Warren was, actually, the second leading receiver with 34 catches and 420 yards (he split time with eventual 4th round pick Theo Johnson, who had 34 catches and 300ish yards). The running backs (both of whom are going to be possible first half of the draft guys next year) were the heart of the offense. This past season, they STILL were the heart of the Penn State offense, but for whatever reason, Warren's production exploded to over a 100 catches and over a 1k yards. Strange offense, but that fella is a horse.
Reading today’s TJW and other, less comprehensive pieces, keeps me continuing to focus on the Jets organizational design. The insanity is they, as we all know, keep going through cycles of coaches/gm’s. IMO the issue is they report to Woody vs a real strong, football experienced VP of Football Operations(or other title). Unfortunately without this position between them you will get the non football experienced, emotional, Madden informed owner thinking he knows what’s best. The cycle will repeat. The last 15 years has been a disaster, embarrassment and laughing stock for this team. Does Woody have the kahunes to add this position and get the heck out of the way?
Agree with above getting the GM structure right is another critical organizational design element. No organization is successful if you can’t bring in talent during acquisition season and know when to say goodbye to players on the roster. I hope org structure and Mougy’s vision are strong enough to succeed and ward off our onerous owners qb wishes or Madden informed judgements.
The comment that Glenn will bring in a strong staff is music to my ears. I hope that includes an OC, DC and ST coaches who can do the same and he’s not going to be HC/DC. Further, I also hope he has a strong “bench” coach. A guy whose been an HC before but wants to be around cause he’s been there before and can help Glenn’s maturing as a HC. It’s a huge effort to establish team and locker room culture, coach up talent, game plan, game manage and lead the staff. It’s a lot to grow into. Having help will accelerate his HC maturity.
The organizational design has to change IMO.
Excellent post!
Of course the Jets need a VP of Football Operations and for Woody to step aside and quit meddling, but I don't see that ever happening. In fact, I'm hearing more and more about his teenage son, Brick, making comments and suggestions, so I think it's probably only going to get worse before it gets better. Once Woody gets too old, his son Brick will like be right there doing the same thing.
We can live in hope that the hold up in finalizing Mougey as the GM was that he was insisting on Woody not meddling and that Woody caved, but I'd be shocked if that were the case. Supposedly, he admitted that he had screwed up by firing Saleh when he did, and maybe even for forcing the Rodgers trade. We can only hope that this is the case, and that maybe he is learning that he doesn't know jack and will step back and eventually hire that VP of Football Operations. For now, we can hope that for at least the next year, he will give Glenn and Mougey free rein and not meddle.
As far as DC, if it's true that Wilks has accepted the spot, then he is an experienced DC and former HC. So he will be that experienced sounding board and "bench coach" for Glenn and should enable Glenn to focus on being the CEO and focusing more on offense.
The OC position imo was the most important hire on the CS, and it's not looking good. The two best names that I saw associated with the position were Klint Kubiak and John Morton. Kubial was just hired by the Seahawks as their OC, and Morton is in discussion with the Lions. With having no QB and the specter of Rodgers still being here, I have a feeling the Jets aren't going to get either an experienced or a quality GM. It's ominous that Downing and Hackett are still on the payroll. The only other name I've seen associated with the OC job is Nick Caley of the Rams, and imo would be highly questionable as the OC. It could be a week or so or longer before Glenn meets with and makes up his mind on Rodgers, and Rodgers may want additional time to think about it after Glenn sets his expectations of Rodgers. So it could conceivably be a month or more before the Jets are ready and able to hire an OC. By that time, all the best position coaches will be hired. It's pathetic. The Jets were the first to fire their HC, and one of the last to hire their HC, and it looks like they will be the last to get their CS put together. God help us!
On the press conference today introducing Glenn and Mougey, it became clear that Hymie Elhai is now the President of Football Operations and Mougey and Glenn will be reporting to him.
Bobber: totally understand and get it.......but, what QB's are out there? You want to go into next season with Rodgers @ QB again? He's a statue back in the pocket, and we need a QB that not only can pass the ball downfield, but can scramble/run and pick up positive yardage when needed! Stafford is 36 and has 2 yrs left on his contract. Rodgers is going on 42, and he's just not mobile anymore! Tell me and say Rodgers by new HC/GM, decide they don't want him, and/or Rodgers just retires? Tell me what next at the most important position on the field would you do? Go into next season with Tyrod Taylor at the helm? Justin Fields as a signed FA? Give some options?
As far as I'm concerned, the only real options for backup QB to Taylor are Fields, Marcus Mariota, and Jameis Winston. It's going to have to be someone cheaper and who is halfway decent. If Rodgers isn't back, I hope it's not Winston. He's an interception machine, but at least they'd be passing the ball a lot. Fields or Mariota are the best options imo.
Costello of the Post, speculates that either Mike Tannenbaum or Rick Spielman could be retained by the Jets in some sort of advisory position. Not sure how I feel about this. Like Mougey as GM, but he is a first year guy, prefer Spielman. I think this is about navigating through the Rodgers decision and the initial strategy on CAP decisions, not the current forte of the current Asst. GM Phil Savage
I hope that doesn't happen at all. That would just delay things further as it would lead to more discussion and delay. If that happens, I certainly hope that it's Spielman. If it's Tanny, I'm heading for the exit door.
If Mougey and Glenn aren't competent to handle the decision about Rodgers and the cap, then they never should have been hired in the first place! That's why Dimitroff, Sulilvan or Newmark should have been the GM hire!
Haven't been this optimistic since we dated Vernon Gholston.
What could ever go wrong?
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Much like Parcell’s, Glenn brings to the Jets, Accountability.
I would trade this #7 pick to the Rams for Matthew Stafford! Why not! Seems from reading other articles on the Rams and especially with Stafford, is that he may no longer be wanted there, and also with this move, hire Nick Caley from the Rams as the new OC for the Jets. Do it!
With all do respect,one of the reasons why the Jets have sucked over the years is because of trades like you purposed
Who in their right mind would trade the 7th pick in the draft for a 37 year old quarterback with a history of bad backs.
I have no problem with Caley, unfortunately he is in demand and can choose where he wants to go. It’s not that simple to say sign him, he has the leverage.
Sim? Seriously 😳 No frigg’n way am I trading that pick. I love Stafford but the retirement word has come up with him way too often to go that route. We have gone down this road so many times with aging veteran QB’s. Vinny ( Achilles) Fitz, Farve, Boomer, Flacco and now Rodgers? Hey, get me Sam or someone to compete with TT and see how the 2025 QB class plays out! It won’t include Arch Manny who I see playing at least two more seasons at Texas.
No, absolutely not! That's a terrible idea! First of all, it would never work capwise. Second of all, you'd be dooming the Jets to not getting a young QB for another 3-4 years or at least 2 years, and by that time the Jets may be hiring a new HC and GM again.
If Stafford isn't wanted there, it's because he's inconsistent. That's why the Lions traded him to the Rams in the first place. He self destructs.
In Parcell we trusted. Perhaps Glenn will bring some of the Tuna to the Meadowlands!
I have hopes that Mougey will work out, but little confidence. Yes, there's a tone of decisions to be made that will have a HUGE impact upon the team for the foreseeable future. He'd better get most of them right, particularly at QB. At least the Jets got the deal done. For a while, it looked like something was going to fail with his hiring, and then the GM would have been Brown, at which point, I would have headed for the exit from Jets football.
Glenn better be working his ass off to find a good OC. The best two experienced OCs that I've seen connected with the Jets at all were Klint Kubiak and John Morton. Kubiak was just hired by Seattle, and Morton may be Detroit's new OC. That is THE key hiring for Glenn, and so far it looks like he has utterly failed. I'm going to take a wait and see approach, but he's moving far too slowly in his hires. I don't like Nick Caley's background at all. It's weird. It's hard to tell looking at his resume on wiki, but he spent 7 years in graduate school or in colleges being graduate assistants, Adminstrative Assistant, or Secondary Coach. Then, when he got to the NFL with the Patriots, he was an Offensive Assistant, whatever that means, for a couple of years, then became a TE Coach. Until this past season, he had only coached TEs and FBs. This past season he was also Passing Game Coordinator. He has zero experience coaching QBs, or WR, or OL, or RBs. I'd prefer my OC to have had experience coaching at least two, if not three different offensive position groups. FB doesn't count, since it's pretty much an obsolete position, and only a handful of teams still have/use a FB.
I'm glad that I wasn't drinking coffee when I read today's column. When I got to the bit about the 33rd team using a "data-driven approach to get the right candidates in the building" I would have spewed coffee everywhere. I have never seen a bigger slate of incompetent candidates for HC. Most of the GM candidates were good, that was surprising. But if that slew of HC candidates was the best in the 33rd Team's opinion, they should never be hired again by an NFL team. That was a joke, and a bad joke at that.
Based on the 2-3 times I saw Warren play in the collegiate playoffs, he seems to be a great prospect, but taking a look at his college stats, he did next to NOTHING his first 3 years and didn't even start. So he has one year of high level production. He could get overdrafted because of that one year, but it shouldn't be by the Jets. They desperately a TE who is both an excellent receiver and blocker, but he's too risky at #7. Even if the Jets trade down into the mid-to-late teens or early 20s (which I think they should, and hope they will be able to do), I'm not sure I'd take him. It seems to me he ought to be a 2nd or maybe even a 3rd round pick.
I think the Jets 1st round pick should be a WR. The Jets only have Wilson, Adams, Corley, and Gipson under contract. There's no guarantees that Adams will be back, and the Jets don't know what they have, if anything, in Corley. In addition, Wilson is thought to not be happy with the Jets and he may be asking for a trade. I'd love for them to get the McMillan kid from AZ. He's 6'4" or 6'5", pretty fast for his size and supposedly a good route runner. The problem is, I really think that they need to trade down. They're going to lose quite a few players in FA, including several starters and top backups. They have dire needs at QB, WR, TE, S, RT, and DT, and probably need to add an Edge since JJ is coming off of the Achilles tear, and McDonald can't set the Edge.
The D has the most talent and has played at the highest level until this past season. The Jets have few real playmakers on offense. They need a QB of the future and a bookend RT. I think they should probably wait until next year to draft a QB however, as this class isn't very good. If they take a QB in the 1st round, it's going to be like reaching for a 2nd, 3rd or 4th-round prospect. I'm not much on "taking a flyer" on a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, either. Most of those guys don't work out, and it winds up just being a wasted pick that they could have used to address another position of need.
I've seen conflicting reports on the Jets draft picks. I know that they were going to have to give the Raiders either a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Adams. Thankfully, Adams didn't reach the target stats, so it will be a 3rd round pick. I remember reading somewhere that the Jets had added a 3rd round pick in some trade or move, but that isn't showing up on the latest lists of Jets draft picks. So, if they don't have 3rd round pick, it's all the more important that they trade down and try to add an additional 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick or additional 4th round pick. IMO the Jets need to come out of the first 4 rounds with a tall (at least 6'3") WR, a RT, a S, TE, NT, and an Edge, but there aren't enough picks to do that, unless they traded down again in the 2nd and add a 3rd or 4th. Hopefully, they can address at least one of S, TE, and NT positions significantly with a solid starter in FA, and hopefully two of them. If Moses isn't in their plans or doesn't want to come back, then they need to add a RT in FA as well. If Rodgers isn't going to be back, they need to add a veteran backup QB in FA as well.
I don't envy Meugey at all. He definitely has his work cut out for him and will earn every $ he gets this year (at least he'd better, or the Jets won't see the playoffs again in some of our lifetime).
Brant Boyer officially hired as ST Coach of the 49ers
Mike Rutenberg
If the JETS bring back Rodgers, we are doomed. It is time to start the rebuild and move on. Drop Adams, make sure Garrett stays. I’m on the fence with CJ - great player but even though he is a leader, time for young blood. If we do this right, 2-3 seasons from now we could be playoff contenders. It will be worth the wait to move in the correct direction. I’m tired of band-aids and it is the a key factor in changing the culture. We need something to look forward to and if I have to see #8 in green and white for another year, I believe depression will set in!
Not for nothing, but didn't Stafford, once traded out of Detroit to the Rams, win a Super Bowl? Just saying......and I know Stafford is 36, and he can control the QB position for the next 2 years as the Jets finally either have a QB in Jordan Travis, who's coming back from a major leg injured, or draft in the middle rounds of this year; Jaxson Dart out of Ole Miss, to let him learn and work behind Stafford. Give me some other options here.........You really think having Rodgers back is the way to go?
Lost DB Coach Tony Oden to the Titans, lost DB Coach Marquand Manual to the Giants last week
Thanks for posting the info, but I can't click like on that. I was really hoping to keep him. I'm hating the Glenn hiring more and more. He is moving WAAAAY too slowly in hiring his staff. If he was such a great candidate/prospect, he shouldn't be having this much trouble putting together his staff.
Lost linebacker coach last year
Mike Rutenberg Linebacker Coach