Any football fan who thinks Stephen A is someone who to quote about any football subject is really clueless about football. Who can forget Stephen A’s great analysis of a Charger Chief playoff game
In the next breath, Smith called the visiting team the "San Diego Chargers," then identified the game's key matchup as the one between Chargers tight end Hunter Henry (who has been out all season with a torn anterior cruciate ligament) and linebacker Derrick Johnson (who played for the Chiefs for 13 seasons, but is now a free agent).
This Packer GM is trying his hardest to save face and probably save his job if Love fails.
I don’t know if the Packer GM has a mentor or a few GM friends that he leans on because I’m sure the open, honest ones would/should have told him, “ you can’t publicly say that you are done with a player and your team is going in a different direction than ask an interested team for two number ones (which has been rumored)”.
This has been festering since the day Rodgers asked the Packers to draft Tee Higgins and instead drafted Love.
It’s quite possible that the Pack GM was 100% positive that Rodgers was going to retire this year and has really backed himself in a corner.
Good, winning GMs get rid of problems quickly so the fans forget quickly. Keeping problems in the press only intensifies the pressure.
Seeing how Douglas has operated, whatever price he has in his head that is the price, which might become less as draft week approaches.
The question is will Jet fans squawking on social media cause Douglas to change his offer, not a chance but can the same be said out in Green Bay, time will tell.
The crazy thing about the Rodgers trade is the cap impact and cash. National pundits seem to disregard this, as if NFL trades are only about football. It's not - it never is. Is that an unspoken mandate from NFL broadcast rightholders? I
It's compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a legendary QB that was 80% going to retire as of a month ago... Which may destroy your future cap. I still want him, but it's understandable why the Jets are the only team interested
Rodgers contract is crazy. Summary -
If we have him for 1 year only 2023
"the 2024 dead cap hit would be $43.7 million, which is quite steep, obviously.
To soften that hit, if Rodgers officially retired or was cut after June 1, 2024, then his 2024 dead cap number would be $14.575 million, while his 2025 dead cap would be $29.15 million. Still steep, but not franchise-crippling.
If we have him for 2024 and thus get 2 seasons out of him, "Rodgers’s 2024 cap hit is $32.5 million, which is quite a reasonable number for a starting quarterback.
However, Rodgers has a $47 million option bonus that becomes guaranteed on the fifth day of the league year."
That last part is cash, not cap. It sounds like Woody has to put cash in escrow (DWH can you confirm this part?), but appears willing.
But if he plays 2 seasons, then retires - $60MM dead cap (!)
If he plays 4 seasons
Cap numbers are
2025: $51.1 million
2026: $45.3 million
Quote is from an article summarizing it from Rivka/Jetsx
First of all, Stephen A Smith knows nothing about............well...........anything, so you can forget about what he said. David makes a lot of sense about leverage. The Packers painted themselves into a corner and now they have to deal with it. The Jets should not be in any hurry, and I don't think they should make any deal until after the draft. I don't think they should trade any draft assets away this year, they have a lot of holes to fill, and with the Rodgers situation interfering with free agency deals, a lot of the top tier free agents are gone, leaving the lower tiers and then the dregs. There's a lot of talk about being interested in this player or that player, but if you have to structure your cap around whatever deal is made for Rodgers, you cannot forge ahead and sign people. I'm now resigned to the fact that a deal will come, but the Jets screwed the pooch by not signing Derek Carr when they had the perfect chance, and all the drama would have avoided and enable the Jets more progress in free agency. And why look to sign OBJ when you have an Elijah Moore looking to put the last two years in the rear-view mirror and go ahead and really prove himself. Having Lazard is a good thing, though not as good as a lot of people think. He's a solid receiver and seems to be a very good blocker. But all this pie-in-the-sky stuff that is only looking at THIS year only for the playoffs and then fall back into the old bad habits is patently ridiculous. Last year's supposed playoff run was a mirage, it would go well until the wheels came off, which everyone knows they would. Carr would have given us a better long-term shot at several playoff appearances with no draft capital lost and the Jets being a more attractive place to sign to free agents. I also heard about some insane proposal to include Jermaine Johnson in a trade for Rodgers. There's only one way to go, wait Green Bay out, that's the smart move. But, with Woody Johnson you never know what he's going to do if he gets nervous.
Brian Gutekunst has been with the Packers for over a quarter of a century, has been the GM since 2018. Packers have won 13 game s every year under Brian’s tenure until last year, when the Packers only won 8. Packer fans don’t know adversity. My question is, does Brian realize that his job security is threatened at 49, if he screws this Rogers deal up ? There will be mild temporary criticism from the Packer fan base if the Packers don’t receive 3 number ones from the Jets for Rodgers, that will blow over. But the negative comments from Rodgers and Lazard, and now from a former GM could undermine Brian’s job security. The financial burden , the loss of assets, and AR’s continuous guerrilla warfare could undo the Packers. Brian get the deal done, before the wheels on the Packer bus come off.
Second week of Free Agency is upon us, prices are coming down, players are now under pressure to get a deal done before before teams run out of money. The CJ Gardener- Johnson and OG Isaac Seamalo deals were reasonable at 8 million a year. Very optimistic that the Jets will sign a Center , Defensive Tackle and possibly a Safety this week , we will see. Maybe even a QB.
Good morning everyone. And again, thank you for yet another excellent article to start my day. I’m a late riser in my older age! Retirement is a beautiful thing. I think the leverage situation has been debated to the point we’re all done with it. But the compensation issue is really the only thing that matters. It is obviously the only thing that’s holding this up. I’m inclined to agree with your assessment on fair compensation. I will be extremely disappointed if we hear JD caved and gave up our pick at #13. And I feel confident it will be a 3 this year and a conditional pick next season. The pick in 25? Eh, ok. I could live with that. Pretty sure JD could too because if this whole deal goes south and doesn’t produce significant positive results there is a better than even chance he won be here anyway. Have a great day peoples 😂
This is just a salary dump on the part of the packers. If I were the Jets, I wouldn’t give any 2023 picks. Why give anything more than we gave for Favre? Recall also the Jets didn’t get Favre until August. Jets should do this deal after the ‘23 draft. Give up some picks in 24/25 when they will be lower in each round. We need our ‘23 picks to help Rodgers. NO ‘23 picks!
This is just a salary dump on the part of the packers. If I were the Jets, I wouldn’t give any 2023 picks. Why give anything more than we gave for Favre? Recall also the Jets didn’t get Favre until August. Jets should do this deal after the ‘23 draft. Give up some picks in 24/25 when they will be lower in each round. We need our ‘23 picks to help Rodgers. NO ‘23 picks!
just when I think i have the perfect response, you go and beat me to it.
Your "... The Jets aren't paying for everything that Aaron Rodgers has achieved over his illustrious career. They are paying for what he will potentially bring to the Jets, and one caveat here is that nobody knows how long he'll continue to play... "
strikes home like a kick in the 'nards. and you know what the effin' irony of this all is, the constant dystopia that is being a Jets fan in this insane media asylum called the NY market? That after that interview, I really think Aaron wants to play here because of the huge respect/love he has for Hackett. But this effin' place is so disjointed that he just might say Fuck It, and decide the bullshit is not worth it.
That's why I think he'll play one year, but two??? with these bozos and their questions???
Nah, I don't see it.
and one mor thing... Nobody, but NOBODY is addressing the elephant in the room - that Hackett is just ITCHING to prove the naysayers from his denver HC disaster wrong - because this guy is a very, very good OC. I think this flies under the radar and we see something yuge happen for our guys.
Of course, the mezcal makes me feel warm and wax loquacious - but so what? I'm a Jets Fan; I've the right to be off the reservation.
CGVet59 (because I was too slow to write 58, and too not givvafuck to change it back)
For the sake of argument, let's say that the Packers decide to call our bluff, backtrack, eat their words, and try to play AR in 2023 -- what can the Jets do, realistically, for QB in 2023?
Im hoping this is sooner then later - as a jets fan (and i think everyone feels the same) - always waiting for the other shoe to drop (roughing the passer, fake spike, etc etc etc). Although I don't see Rogers all of a sudden deciding to retire.
Any football fan who thinks Stephen A is someone who to quote about any football subject is really clueless about football. Who can forget Stephen A’s great analysis of a Charger Chief playoff game
In the next breath, Smith called the visiting team the "San Diego Chargers," then identified the game's key matchup as the one between Chargers tight end Hunter Henry (who has been out all season with a torn anterior cruciate ligament) and linebacker Derrick Johnson (who played for the Chiefs for 13 seasons, but is now a free agent).
This Packer GM is trying his hardest to save face and probably save his job if Love fails.
I don’t know if the Packer GM has a mentor or a few GM friends that he leans on because I’m sure the open, honest ones would/should have told him, “ you can’t publicly say that you are done with a player and your team is going in a different direction than ask an interested team for two number ones (which has been rumored)”.
This has been festering since the day Rodgers asked the Packers to draft Tee Higgins and instead drafted Love.
It’s quite possible that the Pack GM was 100% positive that Rodgers was going to retire this year and has really backed himself in a corner.
Good, winning GMs get rid of problems quickly so the fans forget quickly. Keeping problems in the press only intensifies the pressure.
Seeing how Douglas has operated, whatever price he has in his head that is the price, which might become less as draft week approaches.
The question is will Jet fans squawking on social media cause Douglas to change his offer, not a chance but can the same be said out in Green Bay, time will tell.
The crazy thing about the Rodgers trade is the cap impact and cash. National pundits seem to disregard this, as if NFL trades are only about football. It's not - it never is. Is that an unspoken mandate from NFL broadcast rightholders? I
It's compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a legendary QB that was 80% going to retire as of a month ago... Which may destroy your future cap. I still want him, but it's understandable why the Jets are the only team interested
Rodgers contract is crazy. Summary -
If we have him for 1 year only 2023
"the 2024 dead cap hit would be $43.7 million, which is quite steep, obviously.
To soften that hit, if Rodgers officially retired or was cut after June 1, 2024, then his 2024 dead cap number would be $14.575 million, while his 2025 dead cap would be $29.15 million. Still steep, but not franchise-crippling.
If we have him for 2024 and thus get 2 seasons out of him, "Rodgers’s 2024 cap hit is $32.5 million, which is quite a reasonable number for a starting quarterback.
However, Rodgers has a $47 million option bonus that becomes guaranteed on the fifth day of the league year."
That last part is cash, not cap. It sounds like Woody has to put cash in escrow (DWH can you confirm this part?), but appears willing.
But if he plays 2 seasons, then retires - $60MM dead cap (!)
If he plays 4 seasons
Cap numbers are
2025: $51.1 million
2026: $45.3 million
Quote is from an article summarizing it from Rivka/Jetsx
First of all, Stephen A Smith knows nothing about............well...........anything, so you can forget about what he said. David makes a lot of sense about leverage. The Packers painted themselves into a corner and now they have to deal with it. The Jets should not be in any hurry, and I don't think they should make any deal until after the draft. I don't think they should trade any draft assets away this year, they have a lot of holes to fill, and with the Rodgers situation interfering with free agency deals, a lot of the top tier free agents are gone, leaving the lower tiers and then the dregs. There's a lot of talk about being interested in this player or that player, but if you have to structure your cap around whatever deal is made for Rodgers, you cannot forge ahead and sign people. I'm now resigned to the fact that a deal will come, but the Jets screwed the pooch by not signing Derek Carr when they had the perfect chance, and all the drama would have avoided and enable the Jets more progress in free agency. And why look to sign OBJ when you have an Elijah Moore looking to put the last two years in the rear-view mirror and go ahead and really prove himself. Having Lazard is a good thing, though not as good as a lot of people think. He's a solid receiver and seems to be a very good blocker. But all this pie-in-the-sky stuff that is only looking at THIS year only for the playoffs and then fall back into the old bad habits is patently ridiculous. Last year's supposed playoff run was a mirage, it would go well until the wheels came off, which everyone knows they would. Carr would have given us a better long-term shot at several playoff appearances with no draft capital lost and the Jets being a more attractive place to sign to free agents. I also heard about some insane proposal to include Jermaine Johnson in a trade for Rodgers. There's only one way to go, wait Green Bay out, that's the smart move. But, with Woody Johnson you never know what he's going to do if he gets nervous.
Brian Gutekunst has been with the Packers for over a quarter of a century, has been the GM since 2018. Packers have won 13 game s every year under Brian’s tenure until last year, when the Packers only won 8. Packer fans don’t know adversity. My question is, does Brian realize that his job security is threatened at 49, if he screws this Rogers deal up ? There will be mild temporary criticism from the Packer fan base if the Packers don’t receive 3 number ones from the Jets for Rodgers, that will blow over. But the negative comments from Rodgers and Lazard, and now from a former GM could undermine Brian’s job security. The financial burden , the loss of assets, and AR’s continuous guerrilla warfare could undo the Packers. Brian get the deal done, before the wheels on the Packer bus come off.
Second week of Free Agency is upon us, prices are coming down, players are now under pressure to get a deal done before before teams run out of money. The CJ Gardener- Johnson and OG Isaac Seamalo deals were reasonable at 8 million a year. Very optimistic that the Jets will sign a Center , Defensive Tackle and possibly a Safety this week , we will see. Maybe even a QB.
Good morning everyone. And again, thank you for yet another excellent article to start my day. I’m a late riser in my older age! Retirement is a beautiful thing. I think the leverage situation has been debated to the point we’re all done with it. But the compensation issue is really the only thing that matters. It is obviously the only thing that’s holding this up. I’m inclined to agree with your assessment on fair compensation. I will be extremely disappointed if we hear JD caved and gave up our pick at #13. And I feel confident it will be a 3 this year and a conditional pick next season. The pick in 25? Eh, ok. I could live with that. Pretty sure JD could too because if this whole deal goes south and doesn’t produce significant positive results there is a better than even chance he won be here anyway. Have a great day peoples 😂
This is just a salary dump on the part of the packers. If I were the Jets, I wouldn’t give any 2023 picks. Why give anything more than we gave for Favre? Recall also the Jets didn’t get Favre until August. Jets should do this deal after the ‘23 draft. Give up some picks in 24/25 when they will be lower in each round. We need our ‘23 picks to help Rodgers. NO ‘23 picks!
This is just a salary dump on the part of the packers. If I were the Jets, I wouldn’t give any 2023 picks. Why give anything more than we gave for Favre? Recall also the Jets didn’t get Favre until August. Jets should do this deal after the ‘23 draft. Give up some picks in 24/25 when they will be lower in each round. We need our ‘23 picks to help Rodgers. NO ‘23 picks!
hey David -
just when I think i have the perfect response, you go and beat me to it.
Your "... The Jets aren't paying for everything that Aaron Rodgers has achieved over his illustrious career. They are paying for what he will potentially bring to the Jets, and one caveat here is that nobody knows how long he'll continue to play... "
strikes home like a kick in the 'nards. and you know what the effin' irony of this all is, the constant dystopia that is being a Jets fan in this insane media asylum called the NY market? That after that interview, I really think Aaron wants to play here because of the huge respect/love he has for Hackett. But this effin' place is so disjointed that he just might say Fuck It, and decide the bullshit is not worth it.
That's why I think he'll play one year, but two??? with these bozos and their questions???
Nah, I don't see it.
and one mor thing... Nobody, but NOBODY is addressing the elephant in the room - that Hackett is just ITCHING to prove the naysayers from his denver HC disaster wrong - because this guy is a very, very good OC. I think this flies under the radar and we see something yuge happen for our guys.
Of course, the mezcal makes me feel warm and wax loquacious - but so what? I'm a Jets Fan; I've the right to be off the reservation.
CGVet59 (because I was too slow to write 58, and too not givvafuck to change it back)
we have a lot more offseason to go . we'll get there!
For the sake of argument, let's say that the Packers decide to call our bluff, backtrack, eat their words, and try to play AR in 2023 -- what can the Jets do, realistically, for QB in 2023?
My updated Jets FA board - all options I'm monitoring for each position of need
I'm updating it here -
https://twitter.com/ToddLCohen/status/1637803329609711617?t=lI9JraqGRrWZW1RMwUrIZg&s=19
DT Calais, Poona Ford / Ashawn Robinson,
C - CMG, Ben Jones / trade for Ryan Kelly
S - Taylor Rapp, /Amos, John Johnson, McLeod /trade for Kevin Byard
===/
OT Mcgary/Atl, Lewan, Eluemunor/Raiders
WR OBJ, Chark /trade for D Hop?
LB Lavonte David, Bobby Wagner, van Noy,
RB - Zeke, Jacobs
Edge vets - Houston, Ingram, F Clark, Clowney
Im hoping this is sooner then later - as a jets fan (and i think everyone feels the same) - always waiting for the other shoe to drop (roughing the passer, fake spike, etc etc etc). Although I don't see Rogers all of a sudden deciding to retire.
OTC just posted a full breakdown of the Rodgers cap impact.
https://overthecap.com/the-salary-cap-impact-of-trading-for-aaron-rodgers