First of all , Congrats on a safe flight, kudos to the kids. My tolerance for flying is about 9 hours, anything after that is just excruciating. Can’t calculate your total trip time, but this is a daunting trip. If you can share any prep tips, for this epic journey it would be appreciated.
It’s all good with Zach, the toxicity has left the building. We have turned the page, we obtained a little CAP space, utilized one of our comp picks ( first time in a long time ), made day three of the draft a little more interesting with a new and improved sixth round pick. It’s all good.
Zach has a new home, gets support from the old BYU fan base, has an Offensive Head Coach, that coaches hard, will make Zach or break him. Sean Payton doesn’t baby his QB’s. It’s a great opportunity for Zach, but he has to make the roster in September. It will be interesting to see the number of starts/wins of Wilson with the Broncos, Darnold with the Vikings, and Smith with the Seahawks. Okay , on to the draft
hey David! Enjoy the cold Brew! and when you come back, fly through the US up here in Jet Nation land, and come visit the Temple that is the Great Air Conditioner known as MetLife Stadium hahaha!
excellent summary of Zach; wish him well, glad he's gone; can't wait for the team to get to work, and one less distraction for the ny media shark tank to gnaw on when the news roll is on a slow day...
There are many reasons why Zach failed. There are a few people who contributed to this , Zach included. At this point, we have heard every reason ad Infinitum, no use to hear it again.
Zach terrible tenure with the Jets started three months before he was drafted.
JD, with about 20 plus years of NFL front office experience when interviewing Saleh should have insisted that Saleh bring in a veteran OC who had a reputation for developing young quarterbacks. I’m sure JD knew that either Darnold or a drafted rookie would be the future supposed star franchise quarterback.
In letting, Saleh bring in his best friends kid brother was the start of a losing situation. If he needed an OC he was familiar with, how about present day Dolphin coach Mike McDaniel who was on the Niner staff. He might be young but he sure is innovative.
You want to argue that Knapp was the quarterback whisperer, fine, but Jets fans really had no knowledge of his accomplishments.
Unfortunately he was killed in a tragic auto accident while bicycling but if he was deemed so important why didn’t they try to replace him.
Why was it important for Zach to start immediately. Saleh had a year or two grace period.
One other problem with the Jet organization is their propensity for always hiring defensive coaches as HCs. Since 2000, Groh, Edwards( never a coordinator), Mangini, Rex, Bowles and Saleh. To show their lack of offensive knowledge, these coaches have hired a clock coach for two minute warnings, a timeout coach, probably a throw the red flag coach and of course let’s get a good dam snack coach.
Not one of these coaches had true experienced veteran OCs aside from Groh who had Dan Henning.
Calling Gase an excellent OC is a joke. While Hackett is attached to Rodgers hip, Gase had Peyton Manning’s play book minus Manning during his disastrous tenure. Yet, Clueless Chris Johnson proclaimed him offensively BRILLIANT.
Mike McCagnan is the worst GM in Jet history, please don’t argue Idzik was. Idzik had one year of scouting, Mr Coffee at least 25.
For all of his shortcomings, he let Matt Rhule walk away from the Jets HC job, thank god.
The reason, Mr Coffee with a young Sam Darnold on his roster, insisted when interviewing Rhule that the Jet organization have say who Rhule’s OC should be, it was a deal breaker.
I don’t know if McCagnan or anybody in the Jet organization back then was up to the task. But in principle, Mr Coffee was 100% right.
Just an update, The Official NY Jets Draft Day TV remotes are flying off of the shelves. You can still receive it overnight air for tomorrow nights possible throw-a-thon when either a defensive lineman or cornerback is chosen by the Jets.
David, I'm glad that you arrived safely and that your children were on their best behavior. Enjoy that beautiful tropical paradise and the Bintang! Will look forward to your take on the draft.
Good summary. Jets save a little money and Denver gets a low cost option. Joe D does a better job of selling than buying. BTW, the move up by 50 spots so late in the draft is a smoke screen —- sounds nice but it’s worth no more than $100k.
Good morning gentlemen! Big Ron late to the party as usual.😂 OK, let’s go. Happy for Zach. His time here was disappointing to pretty much everyone including himself. Personally I never liked the pick but had hoped to be proven wrong. Moving on the whole play the rookie QB immediately thing seemed to be the trend and I think it started in Seattle when the Seahawks after bringing in Matt Flynn from GB saw rookie QB Russell Wilson steal the job. Pete Carrol’s no dummy and saw how having a QB on an inexpensive rookie contract gave Seattle the opportunity to load up at other positions. Dallas had Dak on his rookie deal and for me I think that opened the door to make playing the rookie the trend. So I can’t blame the Jets for trying to join the party. The failure was more about the team’s infrastructure at the coaching positions and the poor roster construction. I don’t think there’s a WR from those Darnold teams that’s still in the league.
Look at the total history of top QB draft picks few of them meet the hype and expectations. Zack didn’t do himself any favors but the Jets never set him up for any kind of success. I wish him well, it’s good for him and the Jets that he is gone and now I think he and least has a fighting chance to revive his career. The Jets still have a hole to fill at the position and the future can’t be forgotten because we have AR. Maybe we can get lucky like the Niners and find a gem in later rounds of the draft. The Goat wasn’t a first round pick.
This is another Jets failure. Amazed nobody is taking notice of the pattern of the failure to develop Sanchize, Geno, Sam and now Zach. Each had tremendous talent and potential and were completely underserved by the owner, coaches, media and fan base in NY. Frankly I am disgusted by the way these young QB’s are put on a pedestal and thrown into the fire, and then torn apart when they don’t have immediately success. Extraordinary immaturity. I pity the next poor soul to walk on that stage as the Jet QB high draft pick. Where is that story?
JetOrange, Ron and any others who really like Fautanu, I just saw that one of Fautanu's knees has been red flagged. It doesn't say which knee or what the problem is, but says it shouldn't be a problem in the short term, but could be a problem long term. Albert Breer reported it. Here's a link to SI that talks about it: https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-troy-fautanu-flagged-medical-concerns
Would that change your mind about taking Fautanu? I think it would keep me from taking him at #10, I'm not sure about #15. Maybe Fuaga would be the way to go.
Another thought would be maybe trading down further and taking Guyton. I really like his potential, but don't know how long it would take for him to be ready to play. He supposedly has instincts and sees things that players with as little experience as he shouldn't see, so maybe he could be ready to play this year.
While there was little tangible difference in Zach's actual stats between years 1-2 and year 3, to me they are two verry different records. While Zach had terrible coaching and below average support in 2021-22, he had to take the big chunk of the blame for those years, given his immaturity and severe mechanical failures, which would have severely hampered him anywhere. However, 2023 was a whole different ballgame. Grounding a 3-yd pass behind the LOS, which occurred on every other play in 2021-22, was almost non-existent. He no longer ran backwards regularly, did not abandon the pocket prematurely, rarely made wildly inaccurate throws, and was far more able to set plays and go thru progressions. The utter inability to get first downs and sustain drives, let alone score TD's was far more the result of protection that would fail against a college varsity DL, the most unprepared and ineptly coordinated OL in the entire NFL (repeatedly unable to block even with 6 OL against 4 DL), receivers 2-5 that did not deserve to start on an average college team, destructive and ill-timed penalties, and the worst offensive design and play calling in the entire NFL, bar none. IMHO, there is a reasonable possibility that even a world-class QB like AR would have been barely average under those conditions. Expecting a 23-yr old with minimal experience and a world of pressure on his shoulders to succeed under these conditions was praying for a biblical miracle. Given all that, and the significant personal and field growth shown by Zach in 2023, I think there is a better than even chance that Zach can have a productive and winning season in Denver this very year, if he is given an average supporting cast.
Yeah, everyone has an excuse/reason Zach failed here! Bottom line is at the end of the day talent will always prevail. The QB position is probably the most difficult in any team sport to master! Less than 1% achieve the ultimate prize! A Super Bowl victory! Kudos to the ultimate champions like Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes! As for Zach while it’s not all on him he just failed the biggest QB test; Consistency! There is an endless list of NFL QB’s that have had their shinning moments in the sun! Only to fail miserably the very next week! Unfortunately that’s Zach in a nutshell! Yes he had some great highlights but far too little consistent production!
First of all , Congrats on a safe flight, kudos to the kids. My tolerance for flying is about 9 hours, anything after that is just excruciating. Can’t calculate your total trip time, but this is a daunting trip. If you can share any prep tips, for this epic journey it would be appreciated.
It’s all good with Zach, the toxicity has left the building. We have turned the page, we obtained a little CAP space, utilized one of our comp picks ( first time in a long time ), made day three of the draft a little more interesting with a new and improved sixth round pick. It’s all good.
Zach has a new home, gets support from the old BYU fan base, has an Offensive Head Coach, that coaches hard, will make Zach or break him. Sean Payton doesn’t baby his QB’s. It’s a great opportunity for Zach, but he has to make the roster in September. It will be interesting to see the number of starts/wins of Wilson with the Broncos, Darnold with the Vikings, and Smith with the Seahawks. Okay , on to the draft
hey David! Enjoy the cold Brew! and when you come back, fly through the US up here in Jet Nation land, and come visit the Temple that is the Great Air Conditioner known as MetLife Stadium hahaha!
excellent summary of Zach; wish him well, glad he's gone; can't wait for the team to get to work, and one less distraction for the ny media shark tank to gnaw on when the news roll is on a slow day...
CGVet
There are many reasons why Zach failed. There are a few people who contributed to this , Zach included. At this point, we have heard every reason ad Infinitum, no use to hear it again.
Zach terrible tenure with the Jets started three months before he was drafted.
JD, with about 20 plus years of NFL front office experience when interviewing Saleh should have insisted that Saleh bring in a veteran OC who had a reputation for developing young quarterbacks. I’m sure JD knew that either Darnold or a drafted rookie would be the future supposed star franchise quarterback.
In letting, Saleh bring in his best friends kid brother was the start of a losing situation. If he needed an OC he was familiar with, how about present day Dolphin coach Mike McDaniel who was on the Niner staff. He might be young but he sure is innovative.
You want to argue that Knapp was the quarterback whisperer, fine, but Jets fans really had no knowledge of his accomplishments.
Unfortunately he was killed in a tragic auto accident while bicycling but if he was deemed so important why didn’t they try to replace him.
Why was it important for Zach to start immediately. Saleh had a year or two grace period.
One other problem with the Jet organization is their propensity for always hiring defensive coaches as HCs. Since 2000, Groh, Edwards( never a coordinator), Mangini, Rex, Bowles and Saleh. To show their lack of offensive knowledge, these coaches have hired a clock coach for two minute warnings, a timeout coach, probably a throw the red flag coach and of course let’s get a good dam snack coach.
Not one of these coaches had true experienced veteran OCs aside from Groh who had Dan Henning.
Calling Gase an excellent OC is a joke. While Hackett is attached to Rodgers hip, Gase had Peyton Manning’s play book minus Manning during his disastrous tenure. Yet, Clueless Chris Johnson proclaimed him offensively BRILLIANT.
Mike McCagnan is the worst GM in Jet history, please don’t argue Idzik was. Idzik had one year of scouting, Mr Coffee at least 25.
For all of his shortcomings, he let Matt Rhule walk away from the Jets HC job, thank god.
The reason, Mr Coffee with a young Sam Darnold on his roster, insisted when interviewing Rhule that the Jet organization have say who Rhule’s OC should be, it was a deal breaker.
I don’t know if McCagnan or anybody in the Jet organization back then was up to the task. But in principle, Mr Coffee was 100% right.
Just an update, The Official NY Jets Draft Day TV remotes are flying off of the shelves. You can still receive it overnight air for tomorrow nights possible throw-a-thon when either a defensive lineman or cornerback is chosen by the Jets.
David, I'm glad that you arrived safely and that your children were on their best behavior. Enjoy that beautiful tropical paradise and the Bintang! Will look forward to your take on the draft.
Good summary. Jets save a little money and Denver gets a low cost option. Joe D does a better job of selling than buying. BTW, the move up by 50 spots so late in the draft is a smoke screen —- sounds nice but it’s worth no more than $100k.
My issue is not this trade, it is what the ZW tenure revealed about back office ineptitude.
In the immortal words of Bart Scott, ‘can’t wait’ to see Zach succeed with an offensive coach that knows how to develop QB’s.
Good morning gentlemen! Big Ron late to the party as usual.😂 OK, let’s go. Happy for Zach. His time here was disappointing to pretty much everyone including himself. Personally I never liked the pick but had hoped to be proven wrong. Moving on the whole play the rookie QB immediately thing seemed to be the trend and I think it started in Seattle when the Seahawks after bringing in Matt Flynn from GB saw rookie QB Russell Wilson steal the job. Pete Carrol’s no dummy and saw how having a QB on an inexpensive rookie contract gave Seattle the opportunity to load up at other positions. Dallas had Dak on his rookie deal and for me I think that opened the door to make playing the rookie the trend. So I can’t blame the Jets for trying to join the party. The failure was more about the team’s infrastructure at the coaching positions and the poor roster construction. I don’t think there’s a WR from those Darnold teams that’s still in the league.
Look at the total history of top QB draft picks few of them meet the hype and expectations. Zack didn’t do himself any favors but the Jets never set him up for any kind of success. I wish him well, it’s good for him and the Jets that he is gone and now I think he and least has a fighting chance to revive his career. The Jets still have a hole to fill at the position and the future can’t be forgotten because we have AR. Maybe we can get lucky like the Niners and find a gem in later rounds of the draft. The Goat wasn’t a first round pick.
and of course Denver is coming to Metlife...... Have a good trip David !
This is another Jets failure. Amazed nobody is taking notice of the pattern of the failure to develop Sanchize, Geno, Sam and now Zach. Each had tremendous talent and potential and were completely underserved by the owner, coaches, media and fan base in NY. Frankly I am disgusted by the way these young QB’s are put on a pedestal and thrown into the fire, and then torn apart when they don’t have immediately success. Extraordinary immaturity. I pity the next poor soul to walk on that stage as the Jet QB high draft pick. Where is that story?
JetOrange, Ron and any others who really like Fautanu, I just saw that one of Fautanu's knees has been red flagged. It doesn't say which knee or what the problem is, but says it shouldn't be a problem in the short term, but could be a problem long term. Albert Breer reported it. Here's a link to SI that talks about it: https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-troy-fautanu-flagged-medical-concerns
Would that change your mind about taking Fautanu? I think it would keep me from taking him at #10, I'm not sure about #15. Maybe Fuaga would be the way to go.
Another thought would be maybe trading down further and taking Guyton. I really like his potential, but don't know how long it would take for him to be ready to play. He supposedly has instincts and sees things that players with as little experience as he shouldn't see, so maybe he could be ready to play this year.
Thoughts?
Any broken remote controls or TVs?????
While there was little tangible difference in Zach's actual stats between years 1-2 and year 3, to me they are two verry different records. While Zach had terrible coaching and below average support in 2021-22, he had to take the big chunk of the blame for those years, given his immaturity and severe mechanical failures, which would have severely hampered him anywhere. However, 2023 was a whole different ballgame. Grounding a 3-yd pass behind the LOS, which occurred on every other play in 2021-22, was almost non-existent. He no longer ran backwards regularly, did not abandon the pocket prematurely, rarely made wildly inaccurate throws, and was far more able to set plays and go thru progressions. The utter inability to get first downs and sustain drives, let alone score TD's was far more the result of protection that would fail against a college varsity DL, the most unprepared and ineptly coordinated OL in the entire NFL (repeatedly unable to block even with 6 OL against 4 DL), receivers 2-5 that did not deserve to start on an average college team, destructive and ill-timed penalties, and the worst offensive design and play calling in the entire NFL, bar none. IMHO, there is a reasonable possibility that even a world-class QB like AR would have been barely average under those conditions. Expecting a 23-yr old with minimal experience and a world of pressure on his shoulders to succeed under these conditions was praying for a biblical miracle. Given all that, and the significant personal and field growth shown by Zach in 2023, I think there is a better than even chance that Zach can have a productive and winning season in Denver this very year, if he is given an average supporting cast.
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Yeah, everyone has an excuse/reason Zach failed here! Bottom line is at the end of the day talent will always prevail. The QB position is probably the most difficult in any team sport to master! Less than 1% achieve the ultimate prize! A Super Bowl victory! Kudos to the ultimate champions like Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes! As for Zach while it’s not all on him he just failed the biggest QB test; Consistency! There is an endless list of NFL QB’s that have had their shinning moments in the sun! Only to fail miserably the very next week! Unfortunately that’s Zach in a nutshell! Yes he had some great highlights but far too little consistent production!
Interesting article from Daniel Jeremiah. I guess he doesn't see Fautanu as an OT, or maybe dropped him due to the knee thing.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10118321-daniel-jeremiah-everyone-is-eying-2024-nfl-draft-trade-to-take-ot-in-1st-round