key sentence: "... Saleh told reporters on Friday that doctors won't clear White for contact, after last week's hits that put him in the hospital for precautionary tests..."
Is Z ready, has he corrected his mechanics? Has he corrected his processing speed? I don't think so... better football minds that mine have said this is a process that needs time, like months to and through the off season.
A couple a' weeks inactive... will this turn the pumpkin into Cindarella? (... groan, face plant, getting cushion ready for my sitting on the window sill in case our guys don't win, and I feel like just ending it all... )
But I hope he's fixed enough to not lose the game for the team.
Oh... and just so no-one gets the wrong idea about where my head is at, let me confirm to youze all - Hope is NOT a winning strategy.
CGVet58
"... and remember guys, I am a Jets fan because otherwise, drinking heavily on Sunday afternoons would make everyone think I'm an alcoholic..."
Yeah, I'm on the West Coast, so just hearing the news abt Mike White...thud.
Can we ever catch a break?
I just hope our D comes to play and Zach can game manage us to a victory.
Looking at all the scenarios for us to make the playoffs, if we do lose one it's better that it be an NFC team, it's all going to come down to Miami. We have a 95% chance of making the playoffs if we go 3-1 AND beat Miami as part of the 3 wins
Right CGVet58 - we are screwed no matter what we drink, eat, or crap out. Always comes down to injuries withg this team. In this case a bad draft pick on top of it in Wilson. They jets HAVE to win the next 2 to get to the playoffs or any chance of it - and i see that slipping away with a loss with Wilson at the helm tomorrow - unlike David i cant get behind this guy (and i bought his jersey last year).
Hi Chris - that is a different thread and throught then 'injury prone' Thats haveing guts and toughtness - which i haven't seen since Namath played and got beat up ! He got injured last year after a game and 1/4 as starter. Then this year after 2 games as a starter he gets injured again. He has played 2 and 1/4 games (2021) and 2 games (2022) - i stand by what i said - he is injury prone and cant not be the long term answer as QB for the Jets
Thanks for sending - i remember those throws just like yesterday and loved his darts. Imagine - black and blue marks on the bodies LOL ? Thats the thing in 2-3 weeks did he really speed up his delivery - does he not move the second the line backs up on him does he still throw in the dirt ? We are makning our beds in heaven for sure - just when you thought it was safe - errr nope im breaking out the Titos - will be there Sunday and Thursday in my seats hopingim not leaving early.
Hi - all good points you make. I was (and maybe too much) comparing last year when he got hurt in the Colts game and that was it for him - back to Wislon. Last year was something in his arm. It gave a small crack for them to put Wilson back in. Agree - ribs take a long time to heal so not sure they using that now to get Wilson back in or just coincidence like Saleh said. However - this is two years in a row for White getting hurt. Can blame Douglas for brining and drafting guys that always get hurt - but its still a fact "injuries' derailed the team again and we have to suffer. The Jets long term QB is not on that roster imo.
Steve, u might just be right about the long term QB on our roster. I want it to be White cause I like his indomitable-ness factor. I have hopes for Zach because he's a good kid after all and blessed with a great arm and pretty quick release.
I think White, having better O-Line protection (hey LaFleur, how about keeping the back in to pick up the Milanos-crashing-the-A-gap of the world, eh?) he could be the guy. I hope, but with an old-fashioned, Missourian "show me" skepticism, that Zach can change his mechanics and speed up his processing (latter is the biggest block - he needs to cut down his processing speed by 25% to get to the 2.5 range. a YUGE jump).
Either way, I've a bottle of Mezcal and cold brews to keep me company while I watch and hope. (ahh, the reality of this Jets Fan... the gods chuckle at me...)
Changing subject, this next is one of my favorite vids about Joe Namath. A short 90 second clip, talking about how one could hear the ball when he threw it. Makes me smile everytime I play it.
If Q. Williams is out and Z. Wilson now starting at QB - what was a really fell good story could turn into a disater. I've said this before - Mike White can not be the QB of the Jets he is injury prone. Now they in the same position as last year. What did we ever do to deserve all these injuries and another lost year - UGH !
respectfully disagree. Any QB taking the shots that White did would have wound up for a couple of overnights in the hospital. White has been taking reps, starting QB reps, at least on Tues and maybe yesterday partially. Of course he's hurt, but injury prone? Maybe it's semantics for me, but injury prone in my eye means he's out for a couple of games, or placed on that 4 week IR that Mitchell came off of earlier this year.
Injury prone is Zach's knee after Matt Judon bent over him way after he released the ball (and no call), or in how Zach had the NCI on the same knee during the preseason. Now's that's definitely and officially to be considered an "injury-prone" knee, because the second one was Non-Contact, and he was out for what? 3-4 weeks from that?
OK, so following this logic, I'd say when Mike plays again, if he gets hit again in that area and his performance is subsequently seriously degraded, then yeah, his ribs at least until they fully heal, are a weak spot/an injury prone area. But right now, we don't really know how he's really throwing, what he can or can't do. Might be some smoke and mirrors there; management playing their cards close. But until we see him on the field, can't go with injury prone qualifier just yet.
just my $0.02 worth, not looking to change your mind or anything.
Aside from that, yeah, if we don't have MW under center, and QW is out, then just damn! the football gods are using the hopes of JetNation as their plaything again...
PS: I'm old enough to remember Namath pre-superbowl, getting creamed by defenses - Ben Davidson, anyone? - and literally if they were in a pile-up, he was known to stick his knuckle as forcefully as he could between Namath's ribs. Back in the day, Davidson pulled stuff that would be classified as a felony assault now, at the very least get him thrown out the game.
And Joe would get up slowly, shake it off, and keep playing.
That's what Mike White reminds me of. That's why the team believes in him.
Final thought - last week when he took that vicious hit from Milano (which should have been Effin! CALLED, DAMMITTT! Milano lead helmet first against his ribs... almost like he was aiming for the spot that Ed Oliver got him in earlier in the game...)... well that unfortunately reminded me of Ben Davidson.
oh me too - back then you could kill the QB and Joe always took it. Agree 1000% should have been a penatly-. We fart anywhere near the QB we get the roughing call UGH.
this morning's JetNews - MW has fractured ribs, hence being held out. He can throw fine, per the coach - but if he gets hit there again...
what a crappy place to be. Your best QB can't play cause you don't want to risk him getting really hurt. So you go with the kid who has spent all of 2 weeks trying to correct fundamentals that the best NFL minds say will best be changed after months of practice, rewiring the brain and body functionality as it were.
And me? Well, there's Hope, the bottle o' spirits, cold beer, and a prayer that Zach does let the opportunity that our defense (who can carry you into/through the playoffs...) gives us for this season.
Because - in the "water already under the bridge" category, the case can be made that the two losses to the hated Patriots are on Zach's head. We shoulda won both those games, woulda won if Mike was the QB. Then all this "outside looking in" playoff would be a moot point.
I hate being here, thinking that we're not going to have the same D next year. Then I resign myself to the fact that bad shit can happen no matter what. Great teams have fallen just short in the past - how about the Titans-Rams superbowl, where the last play, Titans WR Kevin Dyson was a yard short of scoring the winning touchdown. Or how about the Chiefs-49ers? SF was the better team that day, they had been dominating, but the Niners went single-coverage on Tyreek Hill (they'd had top coverage assistance allowing the CB to press more earlier in the game) - and when that CB, giving Hill 7 yards padding, turned his back when he thought TH was going skinny post, only to turn back and see him running the flag for the catch that put KC in position to win???
Anyways enough of my ranting, the game's still gotta be played, and i'll be rootin for my guys 4ever.
Injuring prone? Please look at those two hits again. I'm not sure some of the toughest QB's like Favre, etc... could withstand those hits w/o coming out of the game.
hey Dave,
Just saw this on the wire, as of about 45 min ago, MW is out and Zach will be starting --
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/16/mike-white-out-zach-wilson-in-for-jets/
key sentence: "... Saleh told reporters on Friday that doctors won't clear White for contact, after last week's hits that put him in the hospital for precautionary tests..."
Is Z ready, has he corrected his mechanics? Has he corrected his processing speed? I don't think so... better football minds that mine have said this is a process that needs time, like months to and through the off season.
A couple a' weeks inactive... will this turn the pumpkin into Cindarella? (... groan, face plant, getting cushion ready for my sitting on the window sill in case our guys don't win, and I feel like just ending it all... )
But I hope he's fixed enough to not lose the game for the team.
Oh... and just so no-one gets the wrong idea about where my head is at, let me confirm to youze all - Hope is NOT a winning strategy.
CGVet58
"... and remember guys, I am a Jets fan because otherwise, drinking heavily on Sunday afternoons would make everyone think I'm an alcoholic..."
Yeah, I'm on the West Coast, so just hearing the news abt Mike White...thud.
Can we ever catch a break?
I just hope our D comes to play and Zach can game manage us to a victory.
Looking at all the scenarios for us to make the playoffs, if we do lose one it's better that it be an NFC team, it's all going to come down to Miami. We have a 95% chance of making the playoffs if we go 3-1 AND beat Miami as part of the 3 wins
Right CGVet58 - we are screwed no matter what we drink, eat, or crap out. Always comes down to injuries withg this team. In this case a bad draft pick on top of it in Wilson. They jets HAVE to win the next 2 to get to the playoffs or any chance of it - and i see that slipping away with a loss with Wilson at the helm tomorrow - unlike David i cant get behind this guy (and i bought his jersey last year).
Hi Chris - that is a different thread and throught then 'injury prone' Thats haveing guts and toughtness - which i haven't seen since Namath played and got beat up ! He got injured last year after a game and 1/4 as starter. Then this year after 2 games as a starter he gets injured again. He has played 2 and 1/4 games (2021) and 2 games (2022) - i stand by what i said - he is injury prone and cant not be the long term answer as QB for the Jets
Thanks for sending - i remember those throws just like yesterday and loved his darts. Imagine - black and blue marks on the bodies LOL ? Thats the thing in 2-3 weeks did he really speed up his delivery - does he not move the second the line backs up on him does he still throw in the dirt ? We are makning our beds in heaven for sure - just when you thought it was safe - errr nope im breaking out the Titos - will be there Sunday and Thursday in my seats hopingim not leaving early.
Hi - all good points you make. I was (and maybe too much) comparing last year when he got hurt in the Colts game and that was it for him - back to Wislon. Last year was something in his arm. It gave a small crack for them to put Wilson back in. Agree - ribs take a long time to heal so not sure they using that now to get Wilson back in or just coincidence like Saleh said. However - this is two years in a row for White getting hurt. Can blame Douglas for brining and drafting guys that always get hurt - but its still a fact "injuries' derailed the team again and we have to suffer. The Jets long term QB is not on that roster imo.
Steve, u might just be right about the long term QB on our roster. I want it to be White cause I like his indomitable-ness factor. I have hopes for Zach because he's a good kid after all and blessed with a great arm and pretty quick release.
I think White, having better O-Line protection (hey LaFleur, how about keeping the back in to pick up the Milanos-crashing-the-A-gap of the world, eh?) he could be the guy. I hope, but with an old-fashioned, Missourian "show me" skepticism, that Zach can change his mechanics and speed up his processing (latter is the biggest block - he needs to cut down his processing speed by 25% to get to the 2.5 range. a YUGE jump).
Either way, I've a bottle of Mezcal and cold brews to keep me company while I watch and hope. (ahh, the reality of this Jets Fan... the gods chuckle at me...)
Changing subject, this next is one of my favorite vids about Joe Namath. A short 90 second clip, talking about how one could hear the ball when he threw it. Makes me smile everytime I play it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRKXyfQgOQA
If Q. Williams is out and Z. Wilson now starting at QB - what was a really fell good story could turn into a disater. I've said this before - Mike White can not be the QB of the Jets he is injury prone. Now they in the same position as last year. What did we ever do to deserve all these injuries and another lost year - UGH !
respectfully disagree. Any QB taking the shots that White did would have wound up for a couple of overnights in the hospital. White has been taking reps, starting QB reps, at least on Tues and maybe yesterday partially. Of course he's hurt, but injury prone? Maybe it's semantics for me, but injury prone in my eye means he's out for a couple of games, or placed on that 4 week IR that Mitchell came off of earlier this year.
Injury prone is Zach's knee after Matt Judon bent over him way after he released the ball (and no call), or in how Zach had the NCI on the same knee during the preseason. Now's that's definitely and officially to be considered an "injury-prone" knee, because the second one was Non-Contact, and he was out for what? 3-4 weeks from that?
OK, so following this logic, I'd say when Mike plays again, if he gets hit again in that area and his performance is subsequently seriously degraded, then yeah, his ribs at least until they fully heal, are a weak spot/an injury prone area. But right now, we don't really know how he's really throwing, what he can or can't do. Might be some smoke and mirrors there; management playing their cards close. But until we see him on the field, can't go with injury prone qualifier just yet.
just my $0.02 worth, not looking to change your mind or anything.
Aside from that, yeah, if we don't have MW under center, and QW is out, then just damn! the football gods are using the hopes of JetNation as their plaything again...
CGVet58
PS: I'm old enough to remember Namath pre-superbowl, getting creamed by defenses - Ben Davidson, anyone? - and literally if they were in a pile-up, he was known to stick his knuckle as forcefully as he could between Namath's ribs. Back in the day, Davidson pulled stuff that would be classified as a felony assault now, at the very least get him thrown out the game.
And Joe would get up slowly, shake it off, and keep playing.
That's what Mike White reminds me of. That's why the team believes in him.
Final thought - last week when he took that vicious hit from Milano (which should have been Effin! CALLED, DAMMITTT! Milano lead helmet first against his ribs... almost like he was aiming for the spot that Ed Oliver got him in earlier in the game...)... well that unfortunately reminded me of Ben Davidson.
oh me too - back then you could kill the QB and Joe always took it. Agree 1000% should have been a penatly-. We fart anywhere near the QB we get the roughing call UGH.
hey Steve B, & crew -
this morning's JetNews - MW has fractured ribs, hence being held out. He can throw fine, per the coach - but if he gets hit there again...
what a crappy place to be. Your best QB can't play cause you don't want to risk him getting really hurt. So you go with the kid who has spent all of 2 weeks trying to correct fundamentals that the best NFL minds say will best be changed after months of practice, rewiring the brain and body functionality as it were.
And me? Well, there's Hope, the bottle o' spirits, cold beer, and a prayer that Zach does let the opportunity that our defense (who can carry you into/through the playoffs...) gives us for this season.
Because - in the "water already under the bridge" category, the case can be made that the two losses to the hated Patriots are on Zach's head. We shoulda won both those games, woulda won if Mike was the QB. Then all this "outside looking in" playoff would be a moot point.
I hate being here, thinking that we're not going to have the same D next year. Then I resign myself to the fact that bad shit can happen no matter what. Great teams have fallen just short in the past - how about the Titans-Rams superbowl, where the last play, Titans WR Kevin Dyson was a yard short of scoring the winning touchdown. Or how about the Chiefs-49ers? SF was the better team that day, they had been dominating, but the Niners went single-coverage on Tyreek Hill (they'd had top coverage assistance allowing the CB to press more earlier in the game) - and when that CB, giving Hill 7 yards padding, turned his back when he thought TH was going skinny post, only to turn back and see him running the flag for the catch that put KC in position to win???
Anyways enough of my ranting, the game's still gotta be played, and i'll be rootin for my guys 4ever.
CGVet58
Injuring prone? Please look at those two hits again. I'm not sure some of the toughest QB's like Favre, etc... could withstand those hits w/o coming out of the game.
MW showed toughness and guts to go back in.
ZW is being thrown back into the pool again! At least it's not against a good D