At 2:17 pm yesterday afternoon David opened a link to announce that Tanner Engstrand was no longer the Jet OC.
Evidently he decided to walk then accept a demotion.
The reaction from the Torch and Pitchfork Brigade was fast and furious. Never before has a Jet related post brought such vitriol and harshness.
As Paul Revere whose ride alerted the countryside, David’s announcement immediately brought out the Brigade in full force.
Contributing was JetOrange, Steve B, Jonathan S, Lido, Alan M, Maine Tom, Bobber, Snizer, Sim, Mike Z, Douglas Hunt, Joseph Cohen, Robert Baumgaertner, ProFootballPiks and Dean B.
Evidently Ron Alexander was busy shoveling the 27 inches of snow he got Sunday. I’m sure he would have contributed a few choice thoughts.
It’s not the fact that Engstrand walked away, but the timing.
But what do we know. Glenn has not been shy to tell the press, “ I know what I’m doing.
Aaron, you could have fooled me.
Meanwhile as the media and fans are erupting like Mt Vesuvius, somewhere in his little corner of the world there is a man sitting in his lounge chair, having a brandy, smoking a Cuban cigar. He has a smile on his face longer and brighter than the Cheshire Cat.
He feels that the shackles have been taking off of him.
Those shackles being, the label, “ Worst Coach in Jet History
Rich Kotite has waited since 1996 to shed that dubious distinction. Today he is a free man. He has been exonerated. His shackles are off.
It is very doubtful that anyone will argue with you if you say that Glenn is “ the Worst Head Coach
In Jet History. If they disagree, they prove they no anything about NFL football.
It was exactly one year on January 27, that the new Jet Coach was introduced to the media and fans
His words that day
"Put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride," he said, talking directly to his new players. "We are the freaking New York Jets, and we're built for this s---."
Did you ever see words ring so hollow.
Another phony using automotive terms to describe his coaching philosophy.
We as fans just didn’t learn our lesson did we.
As Glenn is getting excoriated, the real villain of this depressing day is silent, probably in hiding. His name Woody Johnson
He had no problem sending out season ticket renewals for 2026 in October of 2025 when his team was 0-7. He had no problem throwing Justin Fields under the bus. He also was too embarrassed to show for the last three games of the season.
But his silence in what is turning his team into one of the biggest NFL off season clusterf**ks of all time.
Saleh as bad as he was, was never this bad. Even Gase won seven games his first year.
Writers say that Woody doesn’t like to fire people who have years left on their contracts.
So maybe Woody should hire someone one who actually knows what they are doing.
Woody spent over $660 million of his grandfathers money to buy the Jets. He never earned a penny of it.
Right now estimates depending on where you go say the Jets are worth anywhere from 8.1 billion up to 9.1 billion.
That’s a real nice return on grandpas money.
Woody you can afford to fire Glenn. We didn’t ask for him but you gave him $60 million over 5 years. He is YOUR HIRE. You have been fleeced. Take the minimal hit and do the right thing, hire a coach who has a clue.
Other wise you won’t be able to handle the shit storm that you personally are going to get hit with for the coming off season and season.
You are not saving grandpa’s money by keeping Glenn.
Woody, it is amazing, this team just gets worse every year no matter who the coach is.
It’s time Woody for to look in the mirror and truly admit that you know you are the problem.
Sell the dam team, you are clueless
UNFOUNDED RUMORS
RICK Spielman advised Woody to fire Glenn as soon as the season was over
It appears that a majority of Jet players in their exit interviews said the big issue wasn’t the coaches but the lack of talent.
Phil Savage, ex Brown GM was responsible for selecting the players for the Senior Bowl.
JD lured him away to be a consultant for the Jets scouting department.
It would appear that Glenn decided to go a different Avenue.
Phil Savage, who was decked out in Rams gear, here at the Senior Bowl.
So safe to say he is no longer consulting for the Jets.
Then again, Glenn has no problem telling the world “ I Know What I’m Doing”
I totally understand. It’s to the point we Jet fans get up in the morning and say, “ It can’t get any worse, then by 2 o’clock in the afternoon, it does get worse.
Is Woody this oblivious to what Glenn is doing or does Glenn call him every morning and say “ This is my new plan for the day as opposed to yesterday’s new plan.
Some people say that the Jets are starting their tank early for next year.
Based on previous history, grandpa Archie would never let his grandson get drafted by the Jets.
Free agents are going to avoid this place like the plague
They really can’t let Glenn have any say during the draft.
The issue now is that Glenn feels like a sitting duck. It would be pretty miraculous if he managed to win enough games to keep his job for 2027. Which coaches want to come here and be under that cloud of uncertainty. Which free agents are going to want to sign here not knowing who will be their coach past their first year of the contract. I don't understand how the Jets continue to get this so wrong, one day Woody is going to sell this team and that day is going to be a great day.
Is there ANYONE who believes that Glenn will be here after 2027 ? Firing your OC on January 27th, changing your philosophy on what you want in a DC on January 27th, please, horrific decision making. Coaches and players are not coming here because 2027 is already wasting a year of your career if your with the New York Jets. Spielman got it right, fire Glenn today and start over.
Not that any of them would come here. But man, Glenn out here not knowing what the hell he's doing while coaches like John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin and Sean McDermott are available. This is the most typical Jets situation...just like not losing enough games to get Mendoza. This entire organisation is a joke.
Glenn's job security is, definitely, one of the most important issues. It's difficult to get buy-in when nobody thinks that the current brain trust will be around for long. I'm not exactly panicking about Glenn's cleaning house on the coaching staff, but it certainly gives me reason to think things might not be going well. I hope the culture can legitimately be set in stone once they get some of these hires in. I'm not going to harp too much on him saying in this press conference or that that he knows what he's doing. That isn't particularly important, from my perspective. Seemingly waffling on staff decisions, however, looks bad.
Sorry Dan, Glenn has used up all his lives trying to be a cool cat. Even household pets and domestic farm animals know how bad he is. That's why the bleating of sheep and lowing of cows and sarcastic whinnying of horses in the corral is echoing about the state of New Jersey. And the word "culture" needs to be banned because it's become a joke that isn't funny anymore. David is right, Glenn needs to be canned forthwith, and Woodhead should crawl to Sean McDermott's door on his knees and beg him to rescue this moribund franchise from the 9th level of football hell. And McDermott would more than likely laugh and slam the door in Woodhead's face. Glenn is not only a lame duck, but he is also a dead duck who just doesn't know it yet.
I'm just trying to think critically through what the Jets are doing. Try to understand the goal that Glenn is trying to accomplish and what he might be trying to set up. What kinds of things do you think that he isn't doing that Sean McDermott might have been doing in Buffalo? Do you think that Aaron Glenn is not doing those things? If not, why? If he is, why aren't they working? What makes Sean McDermott better than Aaron Glenn? I understand that it's easy to just say that he wins more, but what are the underlying practices that make a coach successful? THAT, in my mind, is what we should be talking about. We legitimately don't know what things that Glenn is actually doing behind the scenes. Heck; most of the noise in the media about what he is doing is using a lack of actual information about what he is doing to make a series of assumptions about what he is actually doing. It's, just, a simplistic way to look at the job these fellas are doing.
That's why I was trying to comment in a way that advanced the conversation forward instead of simply piling on. I have no idea what Glenn is actually doing behind the scenes, but in order to get put in a position like this, you've got to have at least put forward some kind of detailed plan. I'm not sure where they went astray. I'd rather think about what they might've done to get off path than call for everybody to be fired without knowing what's going on.
Things can always get worse, Bobber. Chris Banjo and his assistant could quit. Garrett Wilson could demand a trade. Don't ever underestimate the ability of stupid people like Woody and Glenn to make matters worse.
His advisers (except Spielman) are all marketing and business people, but they're obviously clueless, because the shit Woody does continually are horrible optics and make the Jets the laughingstock of the NFL. No good GM or HC Candidate wants to work for Woody, and they won't even interview.
Woody obviously ignores anything that Spielman tells him, so I don't even understand why Woody continues to pay Spielman.
Every. single. Jets. fan. should. write. Woody. and. tell. him. to. sell. the. team!!!! Maybe that would do something, but I doubt it.
Bobber….excellent post as always. After several weeks of Glenn’s nonsense and disingenuous statements, I feel that 2026 may well be worse than 2025. I have absolutely no faith that he can turn around this team. Furthermore, who aside from a neophyte coach would be willing to join his staff given his termination of this year’s ‘handpicked’ coaches. Only the least talented would be willing to sign on, particularly as a pink slip in 2026 is the likely outcome.
Given the team’s draft capital and cap space over the next two years, this should be a time for some optimism. Unfortunately the owner has hired a buffoon and doesn’t know when it is time to cut bait!
I could be wrong as money talks, but who would willingly join this coaching staff as employment is likely only a year! Lest we forget, working for Mr. Johnson may not be a highlight on one’s resume!
The same logic may apply to free agents. Money does matter, but u would think the FAs would like to join a team with some winning prospects. Alas most of us on this site are accustomed to chronic loosing.
My suggestion….Mr Johnson, fire your HC and move on now. Not as many coaching options but find an up and coming OC or DC to replace our Buffoon!
Oh, if you are in a more magnanimous mood, perhaps you might consider selling your team so that we fans may have a more capable and competent owner!
Oh I forgot! The NY Jets is where coaches come to have their future career prospects whither and die!
Bobber, my apologies as yes indeed snow removal was the task again. The final totals were actually 32” as we got an additional 5” shortly after cleaning up the original 27! Of course it was then onto the in-laws house which was a disaster even after it was plowed. The poor plow guy must have been exhausted after putting in over 30 hours with little breaks! Anyway on to the Jets! Make sure you read my post on the Old Time Jets Guys page to day. Like most here I went nuclear!🤬 I’m too wound up ( and tired ) to rewrite that at this point but to summarize it was basically a humanitarian rant about what AG has done to his coaches after only one season.😡 This is a guy who got this job because he was gonna be a culture builder. We all now know he’s clearly not a good X’s and O’s guy! Looking at his time in Detroit his numbers were bottom of the league until Detroit invested heavily in the draft and free agency to build the defense up to a close level to the offense. His first 2 seasons were unmitigated disasters rankin between 29th and 32nd in every category statistically. Year 3 was better and year 4 better still but there were a lot of things that influenced that including having 2 or 3 All NFL talents including a top 3 DE and top 5 safety. But again, getting back on point, our season ended weeks ago! The best asst.coaches are no longer available. One has to wonder, WTF is AG doing? Is he setting himself up to have the asst.coaching situation as an excuse for yet another debacle of a season? Help me out guys, I’m at a loss for coherent answers?
It definitely makes me wonder about the process. What was the process the front office (and, generally, management) decided on for how the staff review and subsequent hirings would play out? Did they stick to it? If not, why? If there wasn't a clear cut process, why? Those are the things I find myself thinking. These are hundred million dollar enterprises. There has to be some structure to their review and hiring practices.
If I had to guess, I'd say that there was disagreement regarding the root causes of such a bad season and how to correct those root causes. I think it's possible that could've causes the waffling on the best way forward while sticking to your guns on certain staff hires. I'm sure Engstrand's response to a prospective demotion probably plays a role, as well. Heck; I wonder where that particular directive comes from, because the change of course on his role and his resigning suggests some internal strife or disagreement.
All of this is to say that the leadership on the football side of the operation is doing a pretty poor job at the moment.
The only way to mitigate what’s going on is to FIRE Glenn today. It’s not even amazing that Glenn is going unchecked with the decisions. Mougey, the owner no one saying a word.
Ive said it before - I hate being a Jets fan I hate it.
Right now I have 0% hope that they know what they're doing.
I like Mougey, I think he's made some good moves...but he can't be happy with this. Either he's too afraid to do anything or he doesn't have the authority to do anything, and I'm not sure what's worse.
Agree David. I think Mougey has demonstrated some competence and found some talent with some of his trades. If Glenn has the final say on draft selections he may well squander this year and next years first and second round bounty!
Woody had to eat one year of Saleh’s contract for approximately 5 million. Now he is looking at Glenn’s 5 year 60 million contract, pretty tough to eat that one. The crosstown Giants have hired Harbaugh, and have direction. Glenn’s decision making or lack of, is disastrous for what the Jets will put on the field in 2027, but more importantly to Woody this epic ineptitude is beginning to threaten the business side . Woody needs to act, time to step up.
Jo, well let’s not forget all the assistants Woody’s still gotta pay the next 2 years that will be coaching elsewhere. Those are all 3 year guaranteed contracts!
Just to add a glass half full perspective on the Jets future. They have 4 top 45 picks in this draft to help them build out a core. Then if this season goes as badly as we all expect, we’ll end up with a high first round pick which can be used to draft a franchise QB, plus two other first round picks and a high 2nd rounder. That can be enough to attract an actual decent HC option next offseason. The one thing they absolutely cannot do is use one of the high picks this year to draft a QB. You can’t saddle a new coach with a project QB. It’ll either deter candidates if you insist on using him or it’s a waste of pick if you let them move on.
Jonathan, absolutely sir. At this point there’s little to nothing that can save this upcoming season. We can only root for the younger players we have and will draft this April.
I like it! 4D chess lol. ‘27 could be the start of something good. ‘26 worst record in the league, Glenn fired, lots of high end talent drafted in the next two drafts, cap space, new head coach. Click our heels three times….
Haha, I’m not saying Woody has a plan, just pointing out we’re still well positioned for a rebuild and that our opening could be more attractive next year then it would be this year
Yes there is draft capital and money. However if Glenn has the final say on draft choices, does anyone here have faith that he is capable of doing a good job and not balls up the whole thing!
FA and the draft scare the hell out of me. Glenn has proven has does not have a clue, and if he is bullying Mougey to get his way frightens me even more. I would take Glenn down to the Pine Barrens and introduce him to The Jersey Devil if it would help in any way, lolol
My son sent me this text this morning. It really shows what the off season is going to be like
Imagine a world where John gruden has been dying to get back into the nfl. So badly that he’s spending his own money for a lawsuit because he feels he’s being black balled. He finally gets a call about a job and says…uhh no thank you
Trying to get motivated to put a TJW out tomorrow is going to be extremely difficult.
What can the Jets do today to make themselves look even worse than yesterday. That's quite the challenge, but I'm sure Woody and Aaron will come up with something.
Jets need to do something TODAY to change the narrative, inactivity is suicidal. Fire Glenn and install Chris Banjo as HC, would be a start, prefer Leonhard but who is coming to this Team ? Mougey , where are you ?
Woody Johnson is an effing dumbass. He makes the same mistakes, over and over and OVER. He'll shell out for players, but he doesn't like paying coaches that he's had to fire. He's too stupid to realize that HE is the problem. He doesn't know what to look for in a GM or HC, other than whether he likes them and maybe they are humble and deferring to Woody. He won't hire a strong, successful candidate and give him complete control, because he (Woody) likes to meddle and is a dilettante.
If he had one ounce of brains he'd stop meddling, and hire a VP of Football Operations to run the team and then Woody would step back and no longer meddle, but of course, with Woody picking that VP, more than likely, he would pick a bad one. He's gone the Korn-Ferry route to hire Idzik, and gone the 33rd team to hire Mougey and Glenn, and failed horribly with Idzik and Glenn. Mougey may be ok, but he could wind up being bad too. The league really needs to appoint a guardian for the Jets. Some former GM or HC who was very successful, that Woody has to pay and allow to run the team without interference from Woody. That's our only hope.
Woody isn't going to sell the cash cow that's the Jets. The only way that would happen is if it were to start losing tons of money each year and the value of the franchise going down dramatically. That probably will happen within the next 5 years, because based on what I'm hearing, fans are giving up their season tickets in droves. At one point not so long ago, the Jets had the longest waiting list for season tickets in the NFL, now the waiting list is totally gone. Fans need to stop buying any Jets gear, stop going to games, trash Woody loudly and publicly on social media and in the news media. Maybe the fanbase should pool our money and hire an attorney and sue Woody for gross incompetence and force him to sell the team.
In terms of the safety position in FA, Cook would be a good signing, as would Kamren Curl, or Jaquan Brisker, but I don't think any of them will sign with the Jets even if they do wind up hitting FA. Why should they? Unless they just want to make as much money as they can and don't care whether their team wins or loses, there's no reason to come to the Jets, but those are precisely the kind of players that the Jets shouldn't look to sign.
You know, in a way, I'm glad that all of this is happening. I've been saying for years that I need to quit spending so much time and energy reading and posting on Jets fan sites, and do more to make a difference in the world, to make it a better place, and to explore other interests I have. I was ready to quit before Joe Douglas was hired, but I thought he would turn things around, got excited and stayed. I now see that it's hopeless as long as Woody owns the team. This is going to allow me to walk away with no regrets. I've given the Jets 61 years of my life, and that's enough. I'm not going to stay and be one of those casual Jets fans, or one who is embittered and cynical and laughs at the Jets dysfunction. Life is too short for that.
I don't know why I'm even waiting to see what happens in FA and the draft. It's not going to make any difference in the long run.
I wish Woody would just fire Glenn and let Moughey hire Jim Leonard as head coach. They did work together in Denver. And bring in Davis Webb as OC. That would be totally refreshing.
Why bring in Davis Webb as OC??? He was a career backup who just quit playing 2-3 years ago, and had only been a QB Coach during that time until the Passing Game Coordinator position was added just prior to the 2025 season. What qualifies him to be an OC? NFL teams have lost their minds.
Phil, Jim Leonhard isn't coming here, it's way too late in the game and he's a smart guy. The fact that Gruden told them to F off is very telling, he's been dying to get back in harness.
My mind has fully turned to the draft. Mougey needs to nail it to inspire any sort of hope. Whether AG is here or not, it's the one constant that we can control. Crazy what things have come to, but have to hope that Mougey is focused on scouting and free agent prep while also having input in this coaching mess. We need a win in some shape or form asap, maybe our OC hire will steady the tide when it's announced.
He's worked with AG in Detroit (safeties I think) and seemingly turned a horrendous secondary for Dolphins into avg. My thoughts is AG is calling and this guy is just there to help establish growth. Agreed with 0 experience.
He's essentially switching the roles. From 0 experience at OC and a lot at DC to 0 at DC and probably a lot at OC.
I honestly think Wink doesn't want the job. He knows a shitshow when he sees one. Glenn has become a toxic element that needs to be gone. It's just that simple.
I, actually, like the hire. Clearly, Glenn wants to put more of his focus on the defensive side of the ball. Personally, I'm more of the opinion that head coaches should allow their coordinators to handle running the offense and defense, but Glenn does seem to be a good defensive mind. Duker sounds like a promising young coach.
They must know this franchise is a disaster and needs to be moved to another ownership/group. He’s the worst owner in major league sports and very little will change as long as he’s owning the team. As for the NFL the Jets fandom is bigger than a lot of other cities teams. Not having this market has to be more than a thorn in their side.
Goodell could care less, ratings are sky high and the league is making money faster than a Mafia counterfeit ring.
The only solution that would attract Goodell’s attention would be if at the first home game, nobody goes, WE KNOW THATS NOT HAPPENING. You can’t ask people to throw away tickets.
Maybe a planned boycott of the first quarter. Don’t go to your seats until 2nd quarter
at the same time no Jet fan at home watches the game.
The advertisers would scream bloody murder, affecting the leagues profits
If hundreds of thousands of Jets fans wrote complaining, maybe he'd do something. He sure isn't going to do anything, if we just sit back griping and complaining amongst ourselves.
I’d agree it’s not the be all, end all of activities. Actions affecting the bottom line for league/team are much more effective such as sitting out a quarter or game, don’t buy merchandise, cancel your season tickets, turn off watching the game.
However when fans write the league it’s seen by more than who it’s written to. And it’s a total embarrassment to the owner even though I’m fairly certain he’s considered a nincompoop at 345Park Ave. To put it mildly.
As someone who would was fine with moving on from Engstrand, the way this all played out still made it one of the most depressing days to be a Jets fan. The best case scenario at this point would be Joe Lombardi at OC and Banda at DC (assuming Leonhard goes to BUF). But it’s hard to see why either one would choose to come here (and Banda is expected to get the Browns DC job if Schwartz gets promoted)
Wow, this entire saga is just so pathetic. I would like to see Glenn show his face now and answer real solid questions from the press instead of the often given softballs. He is an arrogant son of a bitch. And I am not one who generally likes to be harsh.
And for Woody, he is a spoiled entitled bastard who should be forced to sell the team.
Unfortunately, sports teams which are truly part of public domain, are often controlled by people like this. Let me put Jim Dolan side by side with Woody.
What free agents will come here other than the pure mercenaries.
SB winning coaches have been signed while Woody does nothing. Sean McDermott is still available and should have been signed yesterday. At least he would have a clue as to how to assemble a coaching staff.
David, I am still confused about the Jets cap room. It appears to me it’s less than $40mm when accounting for dead money, existing contracts and cap needed for draft picks. I understand it will be more with post June releases etc but still doesn’t appear enough to secure a QB (Willis?), Breece, interior linemen (AVT & Simpson?), and D players such as Anzalone and Cook. Can you clarify what they have available?
Hey John. The cap is always extremely murky as different websites work their calculations in different way.
Here's how I understand it (which is not to say it's the correct way)
Projected Jets salary cap: $304 million
Rollover cap from 2025: $13.5 million
Adjustments on the cap for incentives etc: $7 million
Add those three together and it gives the Jets just under $325 million.
Then we take that $325 million and remove the following
Active roster: $168.3 million
Dead cap: $75 million
Which means the Jets have around $82 million in "cap space"
However when you factor in the projected draft pool of players set to be on the 51 you have to take $18.5 million out of that kitty. That gives the Jets around $63.5 million to play with.
Over the Cap have it at $66 million, Spotrac have it at $82 million. Difference is I believe that OTP factor in rookie contracts and Spotrac don't, because in Spotrac's mind the team aren't necessarily going to make all their picks so it would be incorrect to factor that into the calculations.
The Jets can open a fair amount of room by moving some cap allocations around, Brandon Stephens will be converted as that will open up close to an extra $9 million straight away.
So in my mind I'm working on the fact the Jets will have around $63 million to work with in free agency, but probably closer to $75-$80 million once all is said and done.
Hope that helps, but I'm by no means a cap expert.
At this point I don’t even know what to think anymore. Hiring Glenn as HC was touted as a great move by almost every pundit. Now he is a very bad problem and needs to be fired yesterday. All gas No brakes was touted as a great hire at the time and failed, now after a short time gets another shot. Glenn and Moug were hired late choose coaches and players, had little cap room, cleaned out the front office. Now a mass firing of coaches and assistants. I’m just letting it sink in and see who they hire and go from there maybe my hope for a good season won’t get squashed again this year because I’m not sure I will have any. Being a Jets fan is hard maybe too hard.
At 2:17 pm yesterday afternoon David opened a link to announce that Tanner Engstrand was no longer the Jet OC.
Evidently he decided to walk then accept a demotion.
The reaction from the Torch and Pitchfork Brigade was fast and furious. Never before has a Jet related post brought such vitriol and harshness.
As Paul Revere whose ride alerted the countryside, David’s announcement immediately brought out the Brigade in full force.
Contributing was JetOrange, Steve B, Jonathan S, Lido, Alan M, Maine Tom, Bobber, Snizer, Sim, Mike Z, Douglas Hunt, Joseph Cohen, Robert Baumgaertner, ProFootballPiks and Dean B.
Evidently Ron Alexander was busy shoveling the 27 inches of snow he got Sunday. I’m sure he would have contributed a few choice thoughts.
It’s not the fact that Engstrand walked away, but the timing.
But what do we know. Glenn has not been shy to tell the press, “ I know what I’m doing.
Aaron, you could have fooled me.
Meanwhile as the media and fans are erupting like Mt Vesuvius, somewhere in his little corner of the world there is a man sitting in his lounge chair, having a brandy, smoking a Cuban cigar. He has a smile on his face longer and brighter than the Cheshire Cat.
He feels that the shackles have been taking off of him.
Those shackles being, the label, “ Worst Coach in Jet History
Rich Kotite has waited since 1996 to shed that dubious distinction. Today he is a free man. He has been exonerated. His shackles are off.
It is very doubtful that anyone will argue with you if you say that Glenn is “ the Worst Head Coach
In Jet History. If they disagree, they prove they no anything about NFL football.
It was exactly one year on January 27, that the new Jet Coach was introduced to the media and fans
His words that day
"Put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride," he said, talking directly to his new players. "We are the freaking New York Jets, and we're built for this s---."
Did you ever see words ring so hollow.
Another phony using automotive terms to describe his coaching philosophy.
We as fans just didn’t learn our lesson did we.
As Glenn is getting excoriated, the real villain of this depressing day is silent, probably in hiding. His name Woody Johnson
He had no problem sending out season ticket renewals for 2026 in October of 2025 when his team was 0-7. He had no problem throwing Justin Fields under the bus. He also was too embarrassed to show for the last three games of the season.
But his silence in what is turning his team into one of the biggest NFL off season clusterf**ks of all time.
Saleh as bad as he was, was never this bad. Even Gase won seven games his first year.
Writers say that Woody doesn’t like to fire people who have years left on their contracts.
So maybe Woody should hire someone one who actually knows what they are doing.
Woody spent over $660 million of his grandfathers money to buy the Jets. He never earned a penny of it.
Right now estimates depending on where you go say the Jets are worth anywhere from 8.1 billion up to 9.1 billion.
That’s a real nice return on grandpas money.
Woody you can afford to fire Glenn. We didn’t ask for him but you gave him $60 million over 5 years. He is YOUR HIRE. You have been fleeced. Take the minimal hit and do the right thing, hire a coach who has a clue.
Other wise you won’t be able to handle the shit storm that you personally are going to get hit with for the coming off season and season.
You are not saving grandpa’s money by keeping Glenn.
Woody, it is amazing, this team just gets worse every year no matter who the coach is.
It’s time Woody for to look in the mirror and truly admit that you know you are the problem.
Sell the dam team, you are clueless
UNFOUNDED RUMORS
RICK Spielman advised Woody to fire Glenn as soon as the season was over
It appears that a majority of Jet players in their exit interviews said the big issue wasn’t the coaches but the lack of talent.
Phil Savage, ex Brown GM was responsible for selecting the players for the Senior Bowl.
JD lured him away to be a consultant for the Jets scouting department.
It would appear that Glenn decided to go a different Avenue.
Phil Savage, who was decked out in Rams gear, here at the Senior Bowl.
So safe to say he is no longer consulting for the Jets.
Then again, Glenn has no problem telling the world “ I Know What I’m Doing”
Perfectly said.
I feel a little done with the Jets this morning. My positivity towards this team has been completely exhausted.
I totally understand. It’s to the point we Jet fans get up in the morning and say, “ It can’t get any worse, then by 2 o’clock in the afternoon, it does get worse.
Is Woody this oblivious to what Glenn is doing or does Glenn call him every morning and say “ This is my new plan for the day as opposed to yesterday’s new plan.
Some people say that the Jets are starting their tank early for next year.
Based on previous history, grandpa Archie would never let his grandson get drafted by the Jets.
Free agents are going to avoid this place like the plague
They really can’t let Glenn have any say during the draft.
He is totally clueless
The issue now is that Glenn feels like a sitting duck. It would be pretty miraculous if he managed to win enough games to keep his job for 2027. Which coaches want to come here and be under that cloud of uncertainty. Which free agents are going to want to sign here not knowing who will be their coach past their first year of the contract. I don't understand how the Jets continue to get this so wrong, one day Woody is going to sell this team and that day is going to be a great day.
David 00% nailed it. Hate to be the “Deacon of Doom” but we are looking at another 3 win(maybe🤔) season.
Is there ANYONE who believes that Glenn will be here after 2027 ? Firing your OC on January 27th, changing your philosophy on what you want in a DC on January 27th, please, horrific decision making. Coaches and players are not coming here because 2027 is already wasting a year of your career if your with the New York Jets. Spielman got it right, fire Glenn today and start over.
Not that any of them would come here. But man, Glenn out here not knowing what the hell he's doing while coaches like John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin and Sean McDermott are available. This is the most typical Jets situation...just like not losing enough games to get Mendoza. This entire organisation is a joke.
He's not going to be here after 2026, nor should he be. He should have been fired the second this past season ended. Woody is a moron!
I think it's been shown that Woodhead isn't good enough to be an actual moron, he's a less-on.
Glenn's job security is, definitely, one of the most important issues. It's difficult to get buy-in when nobody thinks that the current brain trust will be around for long. I'm not exactly panicking about Glenn's cleaning house on the coaching staff, but it certainly gives me reason to think things might not be going well. I hope the culture can legitimately be set in stone once they get some of these hires in. I'm not going to harp too much on him saying in this press conference or that that he knows what he's doing. That isn't particularly important, from my perspective. Seemingly waffling on staff decisions, however, looks bad.
Sorry Dan, Glenn has used up all his lives trying to be a cool cat. Even household pets and domestic farm animals know how bad he is. That's why the bleating of sheep and lowing of cows and sarcastic whinnying of horses in the corral is echoing about the state of New Jersey. And the word "culture" needs to be banned because it's become a joke that isn't funny anymore. David is right, Glenn needs to be canned forthwith, and Woodhead should crawl to Sean McDermott's door on his knees and beg him to rescue this moribund franchise from the 9th level of football hell. And McDermott would more than likely laugh and slam the door in Woodhead's face. Glenn is not only a lame duck, but he is also a dead duck who just doesn't know it yet.
I'm just trying to think critically through what the Jets are doing. Try to understand the goal that Glenn is trying to accomplish and what he might be trying to set up. What kinds of things do you think that he isn't doing that Sean McDermott might have been doing in Buffalo? Do you think that Aaron Glenn is not doing those things? If not, why? If he is, why aren't they working? What makes Sean McDermott better than Aaron Glenn? I understand that it's easy to just say that he wins more, but what are the underlying practices that make a coach successful? THAT, in my mind, is what we should be talking about. We legitimately don't know what things that Glenn is actually doing behind the scenes. Heck; most of the noise in the media about what he is doing is using a lack of actual information about what he is doing to make a series of assumptions about what he is actually doing. It's, just, a simplistic way to look at the job these fellas are doing.
That's why I was trying to comment in a way that advanced the conversation forward instead of simply piling on. I have no idea what Glenn is actually doing behind the scenes, but in order to get put in a position like this, you've got to have at least put forward some kind of detailed plan. I'm not sure where they went astray. I'd rather think about what they might've done to get off path than call for everybody to be fired without knowing what's going on.
I can’t believe that Woody has advisers. Or is it possible they don’t have the stones to tell him.
What this base needs is Namath, or Curtis Martin or some player that Woody idolizes to talk to him, evidently his negative heels are dug in.
You couldn’t depress Jet fans any worse than this.
Things can always get worse, Bobber. Chris Banjo and his assistant could quit. Garrett Wilson could demand a trade. Don't ever underestimate the ability of stupid people like Woody and Glenn to make matters worse.
Bobber, nah, he doesn’t need Curtis Martin or any former Jets with a brain, he has his two sons that rule NFL fantasy football 🤦🏼♂️
His advisers (except Spielman) are all marketing and business people, but they're obviously clueless, because the shit Woody does continually are horrible optics and make the Jets the laughingstock of the NFL. No good GM or HC Candidate wants to work for Woody, and they won't even interview.
Woody obviously ignores anything that Spielman tells him, so I don't even understand why Woody continues to pay Spielman.
Every. single. Jets. fan. should. write. Woody. and. tell. him. to. sell. the. team!!!! Maybe that would do something, but I doubt it.
Bobber….excellent post as always. After several weeks of Glenn’s nonsense and disingenuous statements, I feel that 2026 may well be worse than 2025. I have absolutely no faith that he can turn around this team. Furthermore, who aside from a neophyte coach would be willing to join his staff given his termination of this year’s ‘handpicked’ coaches. Only the least talented would be willing to sign on, particularly as a pink slip in 2026 is the likely outcome.
Given the team’s draft capital and cap space over the next two years, this should be a time for some optimism. Unfortunately the owner has hired a buffoon and doesn’t know when it is time to cut bait!
I could be wrong as money talks, but who would willingly join this coaching staff as employment is likely only a year! Lest we forget, working for Mr. Johnson may not be a highlight on one’s resume!
The same logic may apply to free agents. Money does matter, but u would think the FAs would like to join a team with some winning prospects. Alas most of us on this site are accustomed to chronic loosing.
My suggestion….Mr Johnson, fire your HC and move on now. Not as many coaching options but find an up and coming OC or DC to replace our Buffoon!
Oh, if you are in a more magnanimous mood, perhaps you might consider selling your team so that we fans may have a more capable and competent owner!
Oh I forgot! The NY Jets is where coaches come to have their future career prospects whither and die!
Bobber, my apologies as yes indeed snow removal was the task again. The final totals were actually 32” as we got an additional 5” shortly after cleaning up the original 27! Of course it was then onto the in-laws house which was a disaster even after it was plowed. The poor plow guy must have been exhausted after putting in over 30 hours with little breaks! Anyway on to the Jets! Make sure you read my post on the Old Time Jets Guys page to day. Like most here I went nuclear!🤬 I’m too wound up ( and tired ) to rewrite that at this point but to summarize it was basically a humanitarian rant about what AG has done to his coaches after only one season.😡 This is a guy who got this job because he was gonna be a culture builder. We all now know he’s clearly not a good X’s and O’s guy! Looking at his time in Detroit his numbers were bottom of the league until Detroit invested heavily in the draft and free agency to build the defense up to a close level to the offense. His first 2 seasons were unmitigated disasters rankin between 29th and 32nd in every category statistically. Year 3 was better and year 4 better still but there were a lot of things that influenced that including having 2 or 3 All NFL talents including a top 3 DE and top 5 safety. But again, getting back on point, our season ended weeks ago! The best asst.coaches are no longer available. One has to wonder, WTF is AG doing? Is he setting himself up to have the asst.coaching situation as an excuse for yet another debacle of a season? Help me out guys, I’m at a loss for coherent answers?
It definitely makes me wonder about the process. What was the process the front office (and, generally, management) decided on for how the staff review and subsequent hirings would play out? Did they stick to it? If not, why? If there wasn't a clear cut process, why? Those are the things I find myself thinking. These are hundred million dollar enterprises. There has to be some structure to their review and hiring practices.
If I had to guess, I'd say that there was disagreement regarding the root causes of such a bad season and how to correct those root causes. I think it's possible that could've causes the waffling on the best way forward while sticking to your guns on certain staff hires. I'm sure Engstrand's response to a prospective demotion probably plays a role, as well. Heck; I wonder where that particular directive comes from, because the change of course on his role and his resigning suggests some internal strife or disagreement.
All of this is to say that the leadership on the football side of the operation is doing a pretty poor job at the moment.
Well they finally didn’t win the off season !
The only way to mitigate what’s going on is to FIRE Glenn today. It’s not even amazing that Glenn is going unchecked with the decisions. Mougey, the owner no one saying a word.
Ive said it before - I hate being a Jets fan I hate it.
I'm definitely getting there Steve.
Right now I have 0% hope that they know what they're doing.
I like Mougey, I think he's made some good moves...but he can't be happy with this. Either he's too afraid to do anything or he doesn't have the authority to do anything, and I'm not sure what's worse.
Agree David. I think Mougey has demonstrated some competence and found some talent with some of his trades. If Glenn has the final say on draft selections he may well squander this year and next years first and second round bounty!
I a thinking Glenn is bullying him and agree which is worse
Why us
Woody had to eat one year of Saleh’s contract for approximately 5 million. Now he is looking at Glenn’s 5 year 60 million contract, pretty tough to eat that one. The crosstown Giants have hired Harbaugh, and have direction. Glenn’s decision making or lack of, is disastrous for what the Jets will put on the field in 2027, but more importantly to Woody this epic ineptitude is beginning to threaten the business side . Woody needs to act, time to step up.
Jo, well let’s not forget all the assistants Woody’s still gotta pay the next 2 years that will be coaching elsewhere. Those are all 3 year guaranteed contracts!
I think that is minimum for all assistants league wide 3 year guaranteed
Time is now it’s a business and they don’t run one like this
Steve, take some little solace my friend, you are not alone!🤦🏼♂️
Thanks Ron
Count me in Steve !!!!
Woody is clueless. What do you expect from a trust fund baby who has never had to work a day in his life?
Just to add a glass half full perspective on the Jets future. They have 4 top 45 picks in this draft to help them build out a core. Then if this season goes as badly as we all expect, we’ll end up with a high first round pick which can be used to draft a franchise QB, plus two other first round picks and a high 2nd rounder. That can be enough to attract an actual decent HC option next offseason. The one thing they absolutely cannot do is use one of the high picks this year to draft a QB. You can’t saddle a new coach with a project QB. It’ll either deter candidates if you insist on using him or it’s a waste of pick if you let them move on.
Jonathan, absolutely sir. At this point there’s little to nothing that can save this upcoming season. We can only root for the younger players we have and will draft this April.
I like it! 4D chess lol. ‘27 could be the start of something good. ‘26 worst record in the league, Glenn fired, lots of high end talent drafted in the next two drafts, cap space, new head coach. Click our heels three times….
Haha, I’m not saying Woody has a plan, just pointing out we’re still well positioned for a rebuild and that our opening could be more attractive next year then it would be this year
Yes there is draft capital and money. However if Glenn has the final say on draft choices, does anyone here have faith that he is capable of doing a good job and not balls up the whole thing!
FA and the draft scare the hell out of me. Glenn has proven has does not have a clue, and if he is bullying Mougey to get his way frightens me even more. I would take Glenn down to the Pine Barrens and introduce him to The Jersey Devil if it would help in any way, lolol
My son sent me this text this morning. It really shows what the off season is going to be like
Imagine a world where John gruden has been dying to get back into the nfl. So badly that he’s spending his own money for a lawsuit because he feels he’s being black balled. He finally gets a call about a job and says…uhh no thank you
Trying to get motivated to put a TJW out tomorrow is going to be extremely difficult.
What can the Jets do today to make themselves look even worse than yesterday. That's quite the challenge, but I'm sure Woody and Aaron will come up with something.
Jets need to do something TODAY to change the narrative, inactivity is suicidal. Fire Glenn and install Chris Banjo as HC, would be a start, prefer Leonhard but who is coming to this Team ? Mougey , where are you ?
Suggest that a day off is in order. We all should be able to miss a day particularly if it allows you time to reflect and reset.
My sympathies David! We share your pain as we are all Jets fans!
In your defense, how can you write about free agents
or the draft.
Glenn’s actions are brutally unpredictable.
Ron Alexander is an administrator for a Jet Facebook group
He posted this
This just gets crazier every day
According to some reports AG is offering who ever takes to OC job the position of Co- Head Coach and Glynn will run his deft
Woody Johnson is an effing dumbass. He makes the same mistakes, over and over and OVER. He'll shell out for players, but he doesn't like paying coaches that he's had to fire. He's too stupid to realize that HE is the problem. He doesn't know what to look for in a GM or HC, other than whether he likes them and maybe they are humble and deferring to Woody. He won't hire a strong, successful candidate and give him complete control, because he (Woody) likes to meddle and is a dilettante.
If he had one ounce of brains he'd stop meddling, and hire a VP of Football Operations to run the team and then Woody would step back and no longer meddle, but of course, with Woody picking that VP, more than likely, he would pick a bad one. He's gone the Korn-Ferry route to hire Idzik, and gone the 33rd team to hire Mougey and Glenn, and failed horribly with Idzik and Glenn. Mougey may be ok, but he could wind up being bad too. The league really needs to appoint a guardian for the Jets. Some former GM or HC who was very successful, that Woody has to pay and allow to run the team without interference from Woody. That's our only hope.
Woody isn't going to sell the cash cow that's the Jets. The only way that would happen is if it were to start losing tons of money each year and the value of the franchise going down dramatically. That probably will happen within the next 5 years, because based on what I'm hearing, fans are giving up their season tickets in droves. At one point not so long ago, the Jets had the longest waiting list for season tickets in the NFL, now the waiting list is totally gone. Fans need to stop buying any Jets gear, stop going to games, trash Woody loudly and publicly on social media and in the news media. Maybe the fanbase should pool our money and hire an attorney and sue Woody for gross incompetence and force him to sell the team.
In terms of the safety position in FA, Cook would be a good signing, as would Kamren Curl, or Jaquan Brisker, but I don't think any of them will sign with the Jets even if they do wind up hitting FA. Why should they? Unless they just want to make as much money as they can and don't care whether their team wins or loses, there's no reason to come to the Jets, but those are precisely the kind of players that the Jets shouldn't look to sign.
You know, in a way, I'm glad that all of this is happening. I've been saying for years that I need to quit spending so much time and energy reading and posting on Jets fan sites, and do more to make a difference in the world, to make it a better place, and to explore other interests I have. I was ready to quit before Joe Douglas was hired, but I thought he would turn things around, got excited and stayed. I now see that it's hopeless as long as Woody owns the team. This is going to allow me to walk away with no regrets. I've given the Jets 61 years of my life, and that's enough. I'm not going to stay and be one of those casual Jets fans, or one who is embittered and cynical and laughs at the Jets dysfunction. Life is too short for that.
I don't know why I'm even waiting to see what happens in FA and the draft. It's not going to make any difference in the long run.
I wish Woody would just fire Glenn and let Moughey hire Jim Leonard as head coach. They did work together in Denver. And bring in Davis Webb as OC. That would be totally refreshing.
Why bring in Davis Webb as OC??? He was a career backup who just quit playing 2-3 years ago, and had only been a QB Coach during that time until the Passing Game Coordinator position was added just prior to the 2025 season. What qualifies him to be an OC? NFL teams have lost their minds.
Phil, Jim Leonhard isn't coming here, it's way too late in the game and he's a smart guy. The fact that Gruden told them to F off is very telling, he's been dying to get back in harness.
My mind has fully turned to the draft. Mougey needs to nail it to inspire any sort of hope. Whether AG is here or not, it's the one constant that we can control. Crazy what things have come to, but have to hope that Mougey is focused on scouting and free agent prep while also having input in this coaching mess. We need a win in some shape or form asap, maybe our OC hire will steady the tide when it's announced.
Brian Duker is the new DC. Pass game coordinator/Secondary for Dolphins
He answered the phone and got the job. No experience as a DC, varied background. Desperation hire.
He's worked with AG in Detroit (safeties I think) and seemingly turned a horrendous secondary for Dolphins into avg. My thoughts is AG is calling and this guy is just there to help establish growth. Agreed with 0 experience.
He's essentially switching the roles. From 0 experience at OC and a lot at DC to 0 at DC and probably a lot at OC.
Wink being the likely person, ended up being not true. Lots of shifts from beat writers to actual results
I honestly think Wink doesn't want the job. He knows a shitshow when he sees one. Glenn has become a toxic element that needs to be gone. It's just that simple.
I, actually, like the hire. Clearly, Glenn wants to put more of his focus on the defensive side of the ball. Personally, I'm more of the opinion that head coaches should allow their coordinators to handle running the offense and defense, but Glenn does seem to be a good defensive mind. Duker sounds like a promising young coach.
Woody must go. Join me in writing the NFL:
Mr. Roger Goodell
345 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10154
They must know this franchise is a disaster and needs to be moved to another ownership/group. He’s the worst owner in major league sports and very little will change as long as he’s owning the team. As for the NFL the Jets fandom is bigger than a lot of other cities teams. Not having this market has to be more than a thorn in their side.
Goodell could care less, ratings are sky high and the league is making money faster than a Mafia counterfeit ring.
The only solution that would attract Goodell’s attention would be if at the first home game, nobody goes, WE KNOW THATS NOT HAPPENING. You can’t ask people to throw away tickets.
Maybe a planned boycott of the first quarter. Don’t go to your seats until 2nd quarter
at the same time no Jet fan at home watches the game.
The advertisers would scream bloody murder, affecting the leagues profits
That’s the only way change is going to come.
If hundreds of thousands of Jets fans wrote complaining, maybe he'd do something. He sure isn't going to do anything, if we just sit back griping and complaining amongst ourselves.
I’d agree it’s not the be all, end all of activities. Actions affecting the bottom line for league/team are much more effective such as sitting out a quarter or game, don’t buy merchandise, cancel your season tickets, turn off watching the game.
However when fans write the league it’s seen by more than who it’s written to. And it’s a total embarrassment to the owner even though I’m fairly certain he’s considered a nincompoop at 345Park Ave. To put it mildly.
As someone who would was fine with moving on from Engstrand, the way this all played out still made it one of the most depressing days to be a Jets fan. The best case scenario at this point would be Joe Lombardi at OC and Banda at DC (assuming Leonhard goes to BUF). But it’s hard to see why either one would choose to come here (and Banda is expected to get the Browns DC job if Schwartz gets promoted)
Wow, this entire saga is just so pathetic. I would like to see Glenn show his face now and answer real solid questions from the press instead of the often given softballs. He is an arrogant son of a bitch. And I am not one who generally likes to be harsh.
And for Woody, he is a spoiled entitled bastard who should be forced to sell the team.
Unfortunately, sports teams which are truly part of public domain, are often controlled by people like this. Let me put Jim Dolan side by side with Woody.
What free agents will come here other than the pure mercenaries.
SB winning coaches have been signed while Woody does nothing. Sean McDermott is still available and should have been signed yesterday. At least he would have a clue as to how to assemble a coaching staff.
David, I am still confused about the Jets cap room. It appears to me it’s less than $40mm when accounting for dead money, existing contracts and cap needed for draft picks. I understand it will be more with post June releases etc but still doesn’t appear enough to secure a QB (Willis?), Breece, interior linemen (AVT & Simpson?), and D players such as Anzalone and Cook. Can you clarify what they have available?
Hey John. The cap is always extremely murky as different websites work their calculations in different way.
Here's how I understand it (which is not to say it's the correct way)
Projected Jets salary cap: $304 million
Rollover cap from 2025: $13.5 million
Adjustments on the cap for incentives etc: $7 million
Add those three together and it gives the Jets just under $325 million.
Then we take that $325 million and remove the following
Active roster: $168.3 million
Dead cap: $75 million
Which means the Jets have around $82 million in "cap space"
However when you factor in the projected draft pool of players set to be on the 51 you have to take $18.5 million out of that kitty. That gives the Jets around $63.5 million to play with.
Over the Cap have it at $66 million, Spotrac have it at $82 million. Difference is I believe that OTP factor in rookie contracts and Spotrac don't, because in Spotrac's mind the team aren't necessarily going to make all their picks so it would be incorrect to factor that into the calculations.
The Jets can open a fair amount of room by moving some cap allocations around, Brandon Stephens will be converted as that will open up close to an extra $9 million straight away.
So in my mind I'm working on the fact the Jets will have around $63 million to work with in free agency, but probably closer to $75-$80 million once all is said and done.
Hope that helps, but I'm by no means a cap expert.
Thanks. I didn’t know the rollover and incentive adjustments.
@RichCimini
Five candidates interviewed for the Jets' OC vacancy, per team:
Darrell Bevell (Mia QBs/pass game)
Ronald Curry (Buf QBs)
Frank Reich (Stanford adviser)
Greg Roman (LAC OC)
Lunda Wells (DAL TEs)
The Jets are Rooney Rule compliant and can hire an OC at any time. All eyes on Reich. #Jets
At this point I don’t even know what to think anymore. Hiring Glenn as HC was touted as a great move by almost every pundit. Now he is a very bad problem and needs to be fired yesterday. All gas No brakes was touted as a great hire at the time and failed, now after a short time gets another shot. Glenn and Moug were hired late choose coaches and players, had little cap room, cleaned out the front office. Now a mass firing of coaches and assistants. I’m just letting it sink in and see who they hire and go from there maybe my hope for a good season won’t get squashed again this year because I’m not sure I will have any. Being a Jets fan is hard maybe too hard.