Want Jim Leonhard and Frank Reich as the Coordinators for this Jet Team. Leonhard of course is a coach that has been successful at every stop, and has worked with, and has been promoted by Sean Payton. He is a good coach, that has worked with Glenn & Mougey, represents a good PR move for this downtrodden franchise, giving us a little hope.
Frank Reich is a little long in the tooth at 64, was fired as a HC by Carolina after a 1 and 10 record, and fired the previous year by the Colts as their HC. But Frank is an experienced OC, a QB whisperer and has the ability to develop an Offensive culture for this team.
The QB room is a disaster, Frank will be instrumental in recruiting a FA QB ( Malick Willis ? ), possibly resurrecting Fields as a backup, and developing the QB from this years draft. Franks early coaching career was as a WR coach, there is some young talent in the WR Corp. that could use his expertise. Frank could be a great hire.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to bring in a senior offensive voice to help Engstrand develop. He got his feet wet by jumping into the deep end in year one. Now, bringing in a veteran offensive mind to help fill in the gaps, allow Engstrand to continue to learn, and develop a more effective system seems like a worthwhile move. Clearly, they liked enough of what Engstrand was doing to keep him around. A guy like Reich would be critical in improving on areas of struggle.
I think it is easier especially as a new HC to go to people you know for other coaching positions. There is always a fear of the unknown, now it seems like maybe Glenn learned a hard lesson. I hope he does a better job this time around. Plus from what I know Engstrand seems to have done fairly well with what he had to work with.
It's not something I'd discount, for sure. There are simply a few other more reasonable explanations. I understand that the coaching profession is quite insular and kind of smells like the coaching version of the "spoils-system." I think that a lot of thought goes into these decisions, though, and I'm more inclined to give a front office the benefit of the doubt before jumping to patronage as the reason.
Oh I definitely think that Engstrand was good enough that he didn't deserve to get fired, yet how many times do we see coordinators or assistant coaches demoted. and someone brought in to replace and maybe mentor/tutor them. I like it if that's what they're doing. That's outside the box thinking and helping to develop Engstrand. If Glenn and the team show a lot of improvement this year, and he remains as HC in 2027, doing this with Engstrand this year could pay huge dividends down the road. Teams give players 2nd chances to learn and develop, why not with coaches, especially when they do some parts of their job well? I think Engstrand's play design in the passing attack were usually excellent as the WRs were often schemed open, and were occasionally very good in the rushing attack, but it was weaker imo.
It would be a great way to develop coaches, for sure. Most of these guys are like any other employee: they're going to have room to grow and, depending on their personality and work ethic, can make progress and improve on things. I'd love to see the Jets bring a seasoned offensive mind aboard to help Engstrand improve.
The question that I have is Engstrand system QB friendly enough ? The Position of Passing Game Coordinator is what is technically open, Reich could be better as Passing Game Coordinator in charge of QB’s, with input into making the Offense more QB Friendly. The Jets are probably designing the position ( OC vs. Passing Game Coordinator) based on the talent that they can acquire.
I disagree, JO. The Jets need a better play caller. Engstrand was Passing Game Coordinator in Detroit. Let him go back to doing that and Reich will be the play caller and QB Coach and mentor/tutor Engstrand on the finer points of staff communication, making better use of his talent at hand (Breece in the passing attack), and doing a better job of designing the offense around the talents of his players.
It's probably something like that. Bringing in an experienced offensive mind like Reich would suggest carving out a more hands-on and prominent role for that "passing game coordinator." Reich would probably be able to help Engstrand make adjustments to the system, and that is why you bring somebody like that into the fold. It makes sense if the Jets' end of season review gave them information suggesting that Engstrand did a lot of good stuff but had room to grow in other areas. There are so many reasons why the offense would be this bad while allowing for the possibility that Engstrand actually did some things well. The responsibilities of the offensive coordinator are so broad that it'd be pretty easy to see that being the case. Sure; it wouldn't work very well if Engstrand and/or Reich weren't on board with the setup, but that's the case for literally every coach/coach relationship on the staff. Clearly, they think enough of Engstrand to think he'd be able to thrive in that kind of setup.
I agree with all of this except Fields. Fields should not be on the roster. If he is, it's sending a message to the team that there is no accountability and it doesn't matter how they do their job. Fields was awful. He refused to run the ball more. He refused to do a wildcat role. He quit on the team. Fields on the roster this year is an absolute non-starter.
Craig, yeah hopefully we are able to work something out that Fields and the Jets can live with. It would be extremely awkward having him around in view of his situation.
I definitely would love to have Jim Leonhard on the coaching staff. He represents a positive move forward, which doesn't seem to be in the minds of the Jet organization. I would be shocked if he signed on here, because he would immediately become a threat to Glenn's future employment if he showed the merest amount of forward-thinking that could lead to the resurrection of the Jets as a legitimate NFL franchise. In addition to that, he has to be the prime candidate to follow in Sean Payton's footsteps when he decides to fully retire. If I were him, I wouldn't budge from Denver. The Broncos look like they are on the verge of becoming a perennial playoff team with a stacked roster. Why would he want to leave ????
As far as Reich goes, I'm not sold at all. His cons outweigh his pros and he's a step backward, not forward. But the main problem is Glenn, he's NOT "the guy" to push this team forward. He's the lamest of lame ducks. And add to that the fact that Woodhead has been a lame duck from the minute he bought the franchise in 2000.
Mike, I'm not sure if we've ever disagreed before, but we do somewhat this time.
I understand your take on Leonhard, and it makes a lot of sense. That is indeed the attitude Leonhard could have. That said, Denver may want another offensive head coach after Payton is gone. In Denver, they have such great personnel, perhaps the Broncos' owner could discount the job that Leonhard has done and say that anyone could have had the same results with the talent with which he had to work. Conversely, if he comes to the Jets and creates a dynamic D here, he would get a lot more kudos. He's still young and is a former Jet, so he may feel some of the same desire that Glenn did to come here and help the Jets turn things around. He may want a big challenge. Also, if he gets the D playing at a very high level this year, but Glenn is still fired because the team underachieves, Leonhard could then be in line for the Jets job. Who knows how much longer Payton will remain as HC in Denver?
Also, I understand your objections to Reich. He is older and wasn't a very good HC. Still, he IS a QB whisperer, and has a ton of experience as a play caller. He can also help advise Glenn since he's a former HC himself. This CS needs some experienced coaches. Wilks wasn't it, and Martindale probably won't be it, but Reich could be. He could help give the offense some legitimacy and maybe help recruit a better FA QB.
2018-2022: Indianapolis Colts (Head Coach and Play-Caller)
2018: 27.1 PPG, ranking 5th. Luck
2019: 22.6 PPG, placing 16th. Brissett
2020: 28.2 PPG, ranking 9th. Rivers (last season before initial retirement)
2021: 26.5 PPG, ranking 9th. Wentz
2022: 17.0 PPG, ranking 30th. Matt Ryan (last season before retirement) then Sam Ehrlinger (after Ryan injury)
Is Reich a long-term answer? No, not at all, but he could help make the the offense better this year, possibly help the Jets sign Malik Willis, help him to continue to developing, and maybe help Engstrand become a better OC. Daniel alluded to communication issues with the offense last year and their not being on the same page. That won't happen with Reich. It's probably all getting blown up following this year anyway, so it probably won't make any difference whom Glenn hires. He's more old fashioned anyways, so I can't see the Jets becoming very forward thinking as long as he is the HC.
If Mougey is given the chance to hire the next HC, then things could be very different going forward, but the idiot Woodhead would still be there to meddle and screw things up.
I understand your thinking Craig, and it makes the most sense. I'm hoping that Leonhard takes the job, that's for sure. The fact of the matter boils down to one common denominator; Woodhead is the biggest negative about the franchise by any demographic you might want to use. It's the one thing that can sink any attempt to actually make the franchise a true winner. And it probably will be Reich coming in, and I hope he can do enough to overcome the natural disabilities that the organization suffers from.
I think you overpay Leonhard and guarantee his money for a minimum of three years. It’s the cost of being a horrible franchise. Jets paid Salah’s salary this year in San Francisco, they overpaid for Glenn, it’s what they have to do.
Has anyone ever seen a team luckier than the cheatriots this year? I do hope Sam crushes them.
For the record, I was screaming at the tv for the Jets to draft JSN when they picked Will McDonald. He was so dominant at OSU, it was obvious. He was better than Garrett Wison. It is why Joe D should not get another GM job. Do not hire Wink - it will be a disaster. It always ends poorly. Jimmy Leonard is an amazing talent. I do agree to move on from Tanner if he had anything to do with not throwing deep last year, but there are better options than Frank Reich out there. God Bless David for keeping interested. I will end every post with Fire Woody!
I normally will root for the AFC team in the Super Bowl unless of course it’s the Patriots. Good for Sam he has worked to get where he is, I bet he will be watching Ghost Busters preparing for the Super Bowl. It was a hard to watch AFC championship. Denver sure missed Bo. From the looks of it the Patriots don’t seem to trust Maye 100% it was his legs not his arm plus mistakes by Denver that gave them a win. I think Seattle will destroy them.
Really like Seattle’s defense, who doesn’t ? Tried to compare and contrast the Seattle Darnold, with the old Jet Darnold. Sam has better protection, a better running game, much better receivers, it’s all about the support system. The Offensive concepts seem better, Sam has a short passing game, and a very varied and effective screen game. Seattle is a well coached team on both sides of the ball.
As the Glenn Reign of Error continues faster then a run away speeding locomotive going down hill with All Gas, No Brakes, Glenn is probably on his way to set another NFL record that will be hard to break.
While the Jets now own the NFL record for
no interceptions during a season,
most consecutive games without an interception,
tied a record that was set in the thirties for least amount of turnovers during a season with four
and the highest negative point differential for the month of December.
The Jets might have tied the record for least amount of turnovers during a season but let’s not forget that teams in the thirties played about 12 games a season, the Jets played 17 this past year. The opportunity to get more turnovers was there with the additional 5 games but alas loose balls on the ground we’re treated like piles of 💩 by this team
So any mutterings about “ Same Old Jets” is a fabricated lie.
Under Glenn, they are worse than the same old Jets.
From the man who reminded us once or twice during the season, that he knows what he is doing. He is about ready to add a new negative pelt on his trophy room wall.
His new crowning achievement, the most assistant coaches fired after a season.
Based on unfounded rumors when you add Steve Wilks into the group, 8 assistants have had their keys replaced by computer paper boxes for their personal property.
These coaches were hired by him. They weren’t pushed on him. Their hirings was all his doing.
When they were hired, knowledgeable NFL people questioned the hirings.
What was there to question about Glenn’s hirings.
The perception given to the fan base was that Glenn was the new sheriff in town , who was going to clean it up. Bring it back to respectability.
Due to their utter mishandling of Darnold and Wilson, the Jet organization is characterized as a destroyer of quarterback careers.
Coach “ I know what I’m doing” solution, easy, bring in a quarterback coach that played running back all his life. His success as a quarterback coach showed no record of achievement. But now he was given his pink slip. I wonder why.
Supposedly Glenn has taken play calling responsibilities away from Engstrand and he will be replaced by Frank Reich.
Engstrand to his credit was one of the few coaches that showed improvement over the course of the season.
Maybe Glenn is suffering from amnesia or some other memory related disease. It was HE who threw $40 million at Justin Field. It was HE who proclaimed Fields THE starter in March. Many NFL people highly questioned the whole Fields Glenn love affair.
Engstrand did his best to cover up both Glenn and Fields with his play calling.
Unfortunately He was like a one legged man in an ass kicking competition, he was given a hopeless task.
Can you blame any respectable coach for not wanting to come here.
For all of Woody’s incompetence, for all of his ignorant decisions, for all of his dumb interference if he were to fire Glenn, I don’t think that “knowledgeable” Jet fans would be opposed.
If Glenn can fire incompetent assistant coaches after one year, why can’t Woody fire an incompetent HC after one year.
You are preaching to the choir Bobber. They should give Glenn his walking papers and a box for his personal effects. He's not the guy to lead the team to the so-called Promised Land in any way shape or form. He keeps looking backwards for solutions, not forward.
Maybe a little over the top. As always, though, it was still enjoyable to read. I'd caution attributing any decisions soley to a single person. The fact is, we don't know the exact circumstances for a lot of these hires. Some worked out. Some didn't. The amount of blame to parcel out isn't obvious, especially looking in from the outside. History and bad feelings can certainly obscure some of that information, and I can understand that reaction. I would, however, advocate a bit more nuance in how we think about how these hires happen and the reasons some of them failed.
I saw report where not only Frank Reich was involved but Carsen Wentz as well. Definitly need to bring Jim Lenard in.
A lot of people here didnt not want to bring McCarthy in when the hired Saleh - well Pitt has only gone thru 3 head coachsi n the pas 50 years they seem to know what they are doing. Insrtead They hired Glenn.
Great for Sam - bu5 im tired of the narrative the Jets let him go - well so did Minnesota and they had the data the guy was good.
I’m sure until the Super Bowl kickoff every facet of media will be happy to point out how the Jets screwed up Darnold’s early career while forgetting all the other teams who were just as bad.
Minnesota let him walk out the door for a quarterback who handed off the ball at Michigan while not really needing to pass.
How did that work out for the Norsemen this year.
Also it appears that ex Jet and fan favorite Leonard Taylor blocked a Denver field goal yesterday.
Taylor, Darnold, Patriots, this Super Bowl is really turning into a never ending Jet Fans Nightmare
Too busy today moving the 27” of snow to post any comments but but how about Leonard Taylor a “ Brigade” favorite blocking that FG! and how about our preseason kicker Harrison ( the “Thicker Kicker”) being on the Rams and kicking well.
Reich was bum rushed out of Charlotte. He was viewed as tired and lackluster. Does he have to energy and charisma to persuade Willis to NY, rehabilitate Fields, and develop a rookie QB?
I don't think bringing him to New York would be about persuading Willis to come to New York or anything like that. They're keeping Engstrand around, which seems like a vote of confidence in SOMETHING that he brings to the table as an offensive mind. If I had to guess, I'd say that their year end review resulted in them feeling like a stable senior offensive mind would be beneficial for his development as a coordinator. Perhaps they liked certain aspects of his performance (like his overall scheme, which did seem to work at times, or how he was able to get the ground game rolling here and there) while found room for improvement in others (balancing ALL of the offensive coordinator duties and doing them all well at the same time....like playcalling, mentoring the quarterback, etc). Yes; bringing in a guy like Reich will mean another person in a leadership position, but I don't think it necessarily means a new coordinator or anything like that.
The Jets will be going for older retreads for two reasons. First, Glenn still thinks it's 10-12 years ago and refuses to countenance a 21st Century approach to winning games. Second is that the Jets are not the type of organization that will attract young and vibrant up and comers. I think Mougey can be a very capable GM and he should be the one calling the shots. Glenn is the lamest of lame ducks and proves it every day. If they end up bringing in Wink and Reich, the malaise that affects all Jet fans will continue. Personally, I don't have a shred of confidence in Glenn, he just doesn't have the mentality to handle the job. We saw it last season and we're still seeing it right now.
The packers and Giants, both of whom were linked to Leonhard, opting for coaches that weren’t even on our interview list is helpful. Especially the Packers, it’s hard not to think that would have been Leonard’s first choice given he’s a Wisconsin native and the opportunity to work with Micah Parsons on a perennial playoff team. Let’s hope the Jets bring Leonhard in for an in person interview.
I wouldn’t read too much in to the media reports about Wink. The Jets insiders have not had a good handle on this DC search (or really any of these coaching moves). This jets FO keeps things close to the vest. It’s very possible Wink is the guy. Coming in for a 2nd interview means he is obviously being seriously considered. But Connor Hughes also said he didn’t think they’d let Wink leave the building. And um I’m guessing he has. I think we’re just going to have to wait for the Jets brass to announce the hire.
Dianna Russini is reporting that Jim O'Neil reached an agreement to stay in Detroit. I assume that means he was told he's not a finalist for the Jets job. So now both of the external candidate (O'Neil and Araujo) I had 0 interest in have signed agreements to take lesser roles elsewhere.
Good review of the situation and the changes occurring, David! I think both can be true at the same time: that Glenn did a terrible job hiring his staff in the first place, and that even though he realized where he had made mistakes and is attempting to correct them (which is good), it's too many mistakes, and I have little faith that the new staff will be much better. In fairness to Glenn, due to Woody's prolonged interview process for the HC and GM positions, Glenn was hired very late, and perhaps everyone that he hoped to hire already had jobs. That's my hope. That said, however, he's late again this year, and while with all the HC changes in the NFL, there may still be a number of coaches out there, more than likely Glenn is a lame duck and will get fired at the end of the season. Will any good position coaches, Coordinators, or FAs want to sign with the Jets? It's doubtful.
I think Shawn Jefferson possibly should have been fired as well. The only young WR who has played well since Jefferson was hired is Garrett Wilson, and Garrett was already a very good, borderline great WR. He still has a weakness or two, however, that haven't improved.
Jefferson was originally hired by the Jets in 2019 and was here for two seasons. He then went to the Cardinals for two years, and the Panthers for a year, before returning to the Jets in 2024. During his 2019-2020 tenure as WR Coach, the Jets only drafted Denzel Mims, and he did look pretty good his rookie season (2020). The only good young WR that the Jets had drafted in the 5 years before Jefferson was hired was Quincy Enunwa. The others were (In order): Jalen Saunders, Shaquelle Evans, Devin Smith, Charone Peake, Ardarius Stewart, and Chad Hansen, and I don't think any of them were even still on the roster when Jefferson was hired.
Maybe it was just bad luck for him that his HCs in Arizona and Carolina got fired Kliff Kingsbury Frank Reich/Chris Tabor, and that's why he left after 2 years and 1 year respectively.
Saleh hired him in 2024. Elijah Moore was drafted in 2021, but he was gone before Jefferson was hired. Garrett Wilson was drafted in 2022. Malachi Corley was drafted in 2024 and Arian Smith in 2025. Granted that Jefferson hasn't had much with which to work, but still what positive has he really done? I remember reading last year somewhere what Wilson's flaws are as a WR, but I forget what they are. Maybe Ron or Daniel or someone else can point them out. Wilson is a hard worker, so why hasn't he improved or corrected his flaw(s)?
Reich's offenses have done pretty well during his career as an OC and HC. He's had a hand in developing a number of really good/great QBs. That could be an excellent hire.
What they're doing with Engstrand is very odd. I think he showed some promise last year, but his play calling was often too conservative and predictable, he didn't take enough deep shots (but of course more were probably called but Fields just stood there holding the ball) and not using Breece a lot more in the passing attack. He did a good job with play design most of the time, as frequently the WRs were open. Is it possible that Reich is going to be here for just a year or two to mentor Engstrand on the art of play calling and on communication with all the offensive coaches, then Engstrand would become OC again once Engstrand leaves, or is this just a demotion to assistant OC and Passing Game Coordinator because he's a friend of Glenn's?
It's likely the former, with regard to Engstrand. And there might be more to what Jefferson is doing, behind the scenes. It's hard to know. I wonder where the lack of attention to detail comes from and at what point it rears its head. Does it come from the top? Does it emerge when at some point between coordinator and player? The problem is that it's nearly impossible for a fan, from the outside, to triage the performance of a position coach plucked from the morass of a coaching staff. It also has to be considered whether the front office and leadership thinks that a certain coach will be able to make progress on his weaknesses. Either way, it's a fool's errand to diagnose coaching staff problems from outside with nearly no information.
I almost forgot. A poster on JetsNation supposedly has a job (he is a long-time poster there and well-respected, so it doesn't appear that he's lying or making anything up), said that he had recently met a FO executive from another team and that he had told him that there was a chance that Joe Brady might become the Jets' new HC. He said that things had happened with the Jets since the season ended and that Glenn's job is no longer as secure as it once was. It sounded like maybe the Jets had called Brady's agent or the Bills and asked for permission to speak to Brady. It may all be a bunch of crap, but I thought it interesting.
Want Jim Leonhard and Frank Reich as the Coordinators for this Jet Team. Leonhard of course is a coach that has been successful at every stop, and has worked with, and has been promoted by Sean Payton. He is a good coach, that has worked with Glenn & Mougey, represents a good PR move for this downtrodden franchise, giving us a little hope.
Frank Reich is a little long in the tooth at 64, was fired as a HC by Carolina after a 1 and 10 record, and fired the previous year by the Colts as their HC. But Frank is an experienced OC, a QB whisperer and has the ability to develop an Offensive culture for this team.
The QB room is a disaster, Frank will be instrumental in recruiting a FA QB ( Malick Willis ? ), possibly resurrecting Fields as a backup, and developing the QB from this years draft. Franks early coaching career was as a WR coach, there is some young talent in the WR Corp. that could use his expertise. Frank could be a great hire.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to bring in a senior offensive voice to help Engstrand develop. He got his feet wet by jumping into the deep end in year one. Now, bringing in a veteran offensive mind to help fill in the gaps, allow Engstrand to continue to learn, and develop a more effective system seems like a worthwhile move. Clearly, they liked enough of what Engstrand was doing to keep him around. A guy like Reich would be critical in improving on areas of struggle.
I think you're right, Daniel, but I wouldn't discount the friendship between Engstrand and Glenn as the reason that Engstrand wasn't fired.
I think it is easier especially as a new HC to go to people you know for other coaching positions. There is always a fear of the unknown, now it seems like maybe Glenn learned a hard lesson. I hope he does a better job this time around. Plus from what I know Engstrand seems to have done fairly well with what he had to work with.
It's not something I'd discount, for sure. There are simply a few other more reasonable explanations. I understand that the coaching profession is quite insular and kind of smells like the coaching version of the "spoils-system." I think that a lot of thought goes into these decisions, though, and I'm more inclined to give a front office the benefit of the doubt before jumping to patronage as the reason.
Oh I definitely think that Engstrand was good enough that he didn't deserve to get fired, yet how many times do we see coordinators or assistant coaches demoted. and someone brought in to replace and maybe mentor/tutor them. I like it if that's what they're doing. That's outside the box thinking and helping to develop Engstrand. If Glenn and the team show a lot of improvement this year, and he remains as HC in 2027, doing this with Engstrand this year could pay huge dividends down the road. Teams give players 2nd chances to learn and develop, why not with coaches, especially when they do some parts of their job well? I think Engstrand's play design in the passing attack were usually excellent as the WRs were often schemed open, and were occasionally very good in the rushing attack, but it was weaker imo.
It would be a great way to develop coaches, for sure. Most of these guys are like any other employee: they're going to have room to grow and, depending on their personality and work ethic, can make progress and improve on things. I'd love to see the Jets bring a seasoned offensive mind aboard to help Engstrand improve.
The question that I have is Engstrand system QB friendly enough ? The Position of Passing Game Coordinator is what is technically open, Reich could be better as Passing Game Coordinator in charge of QB’s, with input into making the Offense more QB Friendly. The Jets are probably designing the position ( OC vs. Passing Game Coordinator) based on the talent that they can acquire.
I disagree, JO. The Jets need a better play caller. Engstrand was Passing Game Coordinator in Detroit. Let him go back to doing that and Reich will be the play caller and QB Coach and mentor/tutor Engstrand on the finer points of staff communication, making better use of his talent at hand (Breece in the passing attack), and doing a better job of designing the offense around the talents of his players.
It's probably something like that. Bringing in an experienced offensive mind like Reich would suggest carving out a more hands-on and prominent role for that "passing game coordinator." Reich would probably be able to help Engstrand make adjustments to the system, and that is why you bring somebody like that into the fold. It makes sense if the Jets' end of season review gave them information suggesting that Engstrand did a lot of good stuff but had room to grow in other areas. There are so many reasons why the offense would be this bad while allowing for the possibility that Engstrand actually did some things well. The responsibilities of the offensive coordinator are so broad that it'd be pretty easy to see that being the case. Sure; it wouldn't work very well if Engstrand and/or Reich weren't on board with the setup, but that's the case for literally every coach/coach relationship on the staff. Clearly, they think enough of Engstrand to think he'd be able to thrive in that kind of setup.
I agree with all of this except Fields. Fields should not be on the roster. If he is, it's sending a message to the team that there is no accountability and it doesn't matter how they do their job. Fields was awful. He refused to run the ball more. He refused to do a wildcat role. He quit on the team. Fields on the roster this year is an absolute non-starter.
Craig, yeah hopefully we are able to work something out that Fields and the Jets can live with. It would be extremely awkward having him around in view of his situation.
I definitely would love to have Jim Leonhard on the coaching staff. He represents a positive move forward, which doesn't seem to be in the minds of the Jet organization. I would be shocked if he signed on here, because he would immediately become a threat to Glenn's future employment if he showed the merest amount of forward-thinking that could lead to the resurrection of the Jets as a legitimate NFL franchise. In addition to that, he has to be the prime candidate to follow in Sean Payton's footsteps when he decides to fully retire. If I were him, I wouldn't budge from Denver. The Broncos look like they are on the verge of becoming a perennial playoff team with a stacked roster. Why would he want to leave ????
As far as Reich goes, I'm not sold at all. His cons outweigh his pros and he's a step backward, not forward. But the main problem is Glenn, he's NOT "the guy" to push this team forward. He's the lamest of lame ducks. And add to that the fact that Woodhead has been a lame duck from the minute he bought the franchise in 2000.
Mike, I'm not sure if we've ever disagreed before, but we do somewhat this time.
I understand your take on Leonhard, and it makes a lot of sense. That is indeed the attitude Leonhard could have. That said, Denver may want another offensive head coach after Payton is gone. In Denver, they have such great personnel, perhaps the Broncos' owner could discount the job that Leonhard has done and say that anyone could have had the same results with the talent with which he had to work. Conversely, if he comes to the Jets and creates a dynamic D here, he would get a lot more kudos. He's still young and is a former Jet, so he may feel some of the same desire that Glenn did to come here and help the Jets turn things around. He may want a big challenge. Also, if he gets the D playing at a very high level this year, but Glenn is still fired because the team underachieves, Leonhard could then be in line for the Jets job. Who knows how much longer Payton will remain as HC in Denver?
Also, I understand your objections to Reich. He is older and wasn't a very good HC. Still, he IS a QB whisperer, and has a ton of experience as a play caller. He can also help advise Glenn since he's a former HC himself. This CS needs some experienced coaches. Wilks wasn't it, and Martindale probably won't be it, but Reich could be. He could help give the offense some legitimacy and maybe help recruit a better FA QB.
2018-2022: Indianapolis Colts (Head Coach and Play-Caller)
2018: 27.1 PPG, ranking 5th. Luck
2019: 22.6 PPG, placing 16th. Brissett
2020: 28.2 PPG, ranking 9th. Rivers (last season before initial retirement)
2021: 26.5 PPG, ranking 9th. Wentz
2022: 17.0 PPG, ranking 30th. Matt Ryan (last season before retirement) then Sam Ehrlinger (after Ryan injury)
Is Reich a long-term answer? No, not at all, but he could help make the the offense better this year, possibly help the Jets sign Malik Willis, help him to continue to developing, and maybe help Engstrand become a better OC. Daniel alluded to communication issues with the offense last year and their not being on the same page. That won't happen with Reich. It's probably all getting blown up following this year anyway, so it probably won't make any difference whom Glenn hires. He's more old fashioned anyways, so I can't see the Jets becoming very forward thinking as long as he is the HC.
If Mougey is given the chance to hire the next HC, then things could be very different going forward, but the idiot Woodhead would still be there to meddle and screw things up.
We're in total agreement on Woodhead.
I understand your thinking Craig, and it makes the most sense. I'm hoping that Leonhard takes the job, that's for sure. The fact of the matter boils down to one common denominator; Woodhead is the biggest negative about the franchise by any demographic you might want to use. It's the one thing that can sink any attempt to actually make the franchise a true winner. And it probably will be Reich coming in, and I hope he can do enough to overcome the natural disabilities that the organization suffers from.
I think you overpay Leonhard and guarantee his money for a minimum of three years. It’s the cost of being a horrible franchise. Jets paid Salah’s salary this year in San Francisco, they overpaid for Glenn, it’s what they have to do.
If nothing else hiring Leonard would mean not hiring Wink and that alone is enough for me! If he ends up doing well that would be a great bonus😂
Has anyone ever seen a team luckier than the cheatriots this year? I do hope Sam crushes them.
For the record, I was screaming at the tv for the Jets to draft JSN when they picked Will McDonald. He was so dominant at OSU, it was obvious. He was better than Garrett Wison. It is why Joe D should not get another GM job. Do not hire Wink - it will be a disaster. It always ends poorly. Jimmy Leonard is an amazing talent. I do agree to move on from Tanner if he had anything to do with not throwing deep last year, but there are better options than Frank Reich out there. God Bless David for keeping interested. I will end every post with Fire Woody!
I normally will root for the AFC team in the Super Bowl unless of course it’s the Patriots. Good for Sam he has worked to get where he is, I bet he will be watching Ghost Busters preparing for the Super Bowl. It was a hard to watch AFC championship. Denver sure missed Bo. From the looks of it the Patriots don’t seem to trust Maye 100% it was his legs not his arm plus mistakes by Denver that gave them a win. I think Seattle will destroy them.
Really like Seattle’s defense, who doesn’t ? Tried to compare and contrast the Seattle Darnold, with the old Jet Darnold. Sam has better protection, a better running game, much better receivers, it’s all about the support system. The Offensive concepts seem better, Sam has a short passing game, and a very varied and effective screen game. Seattle is a well coached team on both sides of the ball.
As the Glenn Reign of Error continues faster then a run away speeding locomotive going down hill with All Gas, No Brakes, Glenn is probably on his way to set another NFL record that will be hard to break.
While the Jets now own the NFL record for
no interceptions during a season,
most consecutive games without an interception,
tied a record that was set in the thirties for least amount of turnovers during a season with four
and the highest negative point differential for the month of December.
The Jets might have tied the record for least amount of turnovers during a season but let’s not forget that teams in the thirties played about 12 games a season, the Jets played 17 this past year. The opportunity to get more turnovers was there with the additional 5 games but alas loose balls on the ground we’re treated like piles of 💩 by this team
So any mutterings about “ Same Old Jets” is a fabricated lie.
Under Glenn, they are worse than the same old Jets.
From the man who reminded us once or twice during the season, that he knows what he is doing. He is about ready to add a new negative pelt on his trophy room wall.
His new crowning achievement, the most assistant coaches fired after a season.
Based on unfounded rumors when you add Steve Wilks into the group, 8 assistants have had their keys replaced by computer paper boxes for their personal property.
These coaches were hired by him. They weren’t pushed on him. Their hirings was all his doing.
When they were hired, knowledgeable NFL people questioned the hirings.
What was there to question about Glenn’s hirings.
The perception given to the fan base was that Glenn was the new sheriff in town , who was going to clean it up. Bring it back to respectability.
Due to their utter mishandling of Darnold and Wilson, the Jet organization is characterized as a destroyer of quarterback careers.
Coach “ I know what I’m doing” solution, easy, bring in a quarterback coach that played running back all his life. His success as a quarterback coach showed no record of achievement. But now he was given his pink slip. I wonder why.
Supposedly Glenn has taken play calling responsibilities away from Engstrand and he will be replaced by Frank Reich.
Engstrand to his credit was one of the few coaches that showed improvement over the course of the season.
Maybe Glenn is suffering from amnesia or some other memory related disease. It was HE who threw $40 million at Justin Field. It was HE who proclaimed Fields THE starter in March. Many NFL people highly questioned the whole Fields Glenn love affair.
Engstrand did his best to cover up both Glenn and Fields with his play calling.
Unfortunately He was like a one legged man in an ass kicking competition, he was given a hopeless task.
Can you blame any respectable coach for not wanting to come here.
For all of Woody’s incompetence, for all of his ignorant decisions, for all of his dumb interference if he were to fire Glenn, I don’t think that “knowledgeable” Jet fans would be opposed.
If Glenn can fire incompetent assistant coaches after one year, why can’t Woody fire an incompetent HC after one year.
Time to fire Woody. Boycott!
You are preaching to the choir Bobber. They should give Glenn his walking papers and a box for his personal effects. He's not the guy to lead the team to the so-called Promised Land in any way shape or form. He keeps looking backwards for solutions, not forward.
Maybe a little over the top. As always, though, it was still enjoyable to read. I'd caution attributing any decisions soley to a single person. The fact is, we don't know the exact circumstances for a lot of these hires. Some worked out. Some didn't. The amount of blame to parcel out isn't obvious, especially looking in from the outside. History and bad feelings can certainly obscure some of that information, and I can understand that reaction. I would, however, advocate a bit more nuance in how we think about how these hires happen and the reasons some of them failed.
I saw report where not only Frank Reich was involved but Carsen Wentz as well. Definitly need to bring Jim Lenard in.
A lot of people here didnt not want to bring McCarthy in when the hired Saleh - well Pitt has only gone thru 3 head coachsi n the pas 50 years they seem to know what they are doing. Insrtead They hired Glenn.
Great for Sam - bu5 im tired of the narrative the Jets let him go - well so did Minnesota and they had the data the guy was good.
I’m sure until the Super Bowl kickoff every facet of media will be happy to point out how the Jets screwed up Darnold’s early career while forgetting all the other teams who were just as bad.
Minnesota let him walk out the door for a quarterback who handed off the ball at Michigan while not really needing to pass.
How did that work out for the Norsemen this year.
Also it appears that ex Jet and fan favorite Leonard Taylor blocked a Denver field goal yesterday.
Taylor, Darnold, Patriots, this Super Bowl is really turning into a never ending Jet Fans Nightmare
Too busy today moving the 27” of snow to post any comments but but how about Leonard Taylor a “ Brigade” favorite blocking that FG! and how about our preseason kicker Harrison ( the “Thicker Kicker”) being on the Rams and kicking well.
Reich was bum rushed out of Charlotte. He was viewed as tired and lackluster. Does he have to energy and charisma to persuade Willis to NY, rehabilitate Fields, and develop a rookie QB?
I don't think bringing him to New York would be about persuading Willis to come to New York or anything like that. They're keeping Engstrand around, which seems like a vote of confidence in SOMETHING that he brings to the table as an offensive mind. If I had to guess, I'd say that their year end review resulted in them feeling like a stable senior offensive mind would be beneficial for his development as a coordinator. Perhaps they liked certain aspects of his performance (like his overall scheme, which did seem to work at times, or how he was able to get the ground game rolling here and there) while found room for improvement in others (balancing ALL of the offensive coordinator duties and doing them all well at the same time....like playcalling, mentoring the quarterback, etc). Yes; bringing in a guy like Reich will mean another person in a leadership position, but I don't think it necessarily means a new coordinator or anything like that.
The Jets will be going for older retreads for two reasons. First, Glenn still thinks it's 10-12 years ago and refuses to countenance a 21st Century approach to winning games. Second is that the Jets are not the type of organization that will attract young and vibrant up and comers. I think Mougey can be a very capable GM and he should be the one calling the shots. Glenn is the lamest of lame ducks and proves it every day. If they end up bringing in Wink and Reich, the malaise that affects all Jet fans will continue. Personally, I don't have a shred of confidence in Glenn, he just doesn't have the mentality to handle the job. We saw it last season and we're still seeing it right now.
The packers and Giants, both of whom were linked to Leonhard, opting for coaches that weren’t even on our interview list is helpful. Especially the Packers, it’s hard not to think that would have been Leonard’s first choice given he’s a Wisconsin native and the opportunity to work with Micah Parsons on a perennial playoff team. Let’s hope the Jets bring Leonhard in for an in person interview.
I wouldn’t read too much in to the media reports about Wink. The Jets insiders have not had a good handle on this DC search (or really any of these coaching moves). This jets FO keeps things close to the vest. It’s very possible Wink is the guy. Coming in for a 2nd interview means he is obviously being seriously considered. But Connor Hughes also said he didn’t think they’d let Wink leave the building. And um I’m guessing he has. I think we’re just going to have to wait for the Jets brass to announce the hire.
Dianna Russini is reporting that Jim O'Neil reached an agreement to stay in Detroit. I assume that means he was told he's not a finalist for the Jets job. So now both of the external candidate (O'Neil and Araujo) I had 0 interest in have signed agreements to take lesser roles elsewhere.
Good review of the situation and the changes occurring, David! I think both can be true at the same time: that Glenn did a terrible job hiring his staff in the first place, and that even though he realized where he had made mistakes and is attempting to correct them (which is good), it's too many mistakes, and I have little faith that the new staff will be much better. In fairness to Glenn, due to Woody's prolonged interview process for the HC and GM positions, Glenn was hired very late, and perhaps everyone that he hoped to hire already had jobs. That's my hope. That said, however, he's late again this year, and while with all the HC changes in the NFL, there may still be a number of coaches out there, more than likely Glenn is a lame duck and will get fired at the end of the season. Will any good position coaches, Coordinators, or FAs want to sign with the Jets? It's doubtful.
I think Shawn Jefferson possibly should have been fired as well. The only young WR who has played well since Jefferson was hired is Garrett Wilson, and Garrett was already a very good, borderline great WR. He still has a weakness or two, however, that haven't improved.
Jefferson was originally hired by the Jets in 2019 and was here for two seasons. He then went to the Cardinals for two years, and the Panthers for a year, before returning to the Jets in 2024. During his 2019-2020 tenure as WR Coach, the Jets only drafted Denzel Mims, and he did look pretty good his rookie season (2020). The only good young WR that the Jets had drafted in the 5 years before Jefferson was hired was Quincy Enunwa. The others were (In order): Jalen Saunders, Shaquelle Evans, Devin Smith, Charone Peake, Ardarius Stewart, and Chad Hansen, and I don't think any of them were even still on the roster when Jefferson was hired.
Maybe it was just bad luck for him that his HCs in Arizona and Carolina got fired Kliff Kingsbury Frank Reich/Chris Tabor, and that's why he left after 2 years and 1 year respectively.
Saleh hired him in 2024. Elijah Moore was drafted in 2021, but he was gone before Jefferson was hired. Garrett Wilson was drafted in 2022. Malachi Corley was drafted in 2024 and Arian Smith in 2025. Granted that Jefferson hasn't had much with which to work, but still what positive has he really done? I remember reading last year somewhere what Wilson's flaws are as a WR, but I forget what they are. Maybe Ron or Daniel or someone else can point them out. Wilson is a hard worker, so why hasn't he improved or corrected his flaw(s)?
Reich's offenses have done pretty well during his career as an OC and HC. He's had a hand in developing a number of really good/great QBs. That could be an excellent hire.
What they're doing with Engstrand is very odd. I think he showed some promise last year, but his play calling was often too conservative and predictable, he didn't take enough deep shots (but of course more were probably called but Fields just stood there holding the ball) and not using Breece a lot more in the passing attack. He did a good job with play design most of the time, as frequently the WRs were open. Is it possible that Reich is going to be here for just a year or two to mentor Engstrand on the art of play calling and on communication with all the offensive coaches, then Engstrand would become OC again once Engstrand leaves, or is this just a demotion to assistant OC and Passing Game Coordinator because he's a friend of Glenn's?
It's likely the former, with regard to Engstrand. And there might be more to what Jefferson is doing, behind the scenes. It's hard to know. I wonder where the lack of attention to detail comes from and at what point it rears its head. Does it come from the top? Does it emerge when at some point between coordinator and player? The problem is that it's nearly impossible for a fan, from the outside, to triage the performance of a position coach plucked from the morass of a coaching staff. It also has to be considered whether the front office and leadership thinks that a certain coach will be able to make progress on his weaknesses. Either way, it's a fool's errand to diagnose coaching staff problems from outside with nearly no information.
Daronte Jones taking the Commanders DC job. That leaves 5 candidates left from the 1st round of interviews:
Leonhard
Wink
C Harris
Banda
Covington
I almost forgot. A poster on JetsNation supposedly has a job (he is a long-time poster there and well-respected, so it doesn't appear that he's lying or making anything up), said that he had recently met a FO executive from another team and that he had told him that there was a chance that Joe Brady might become the Jets' new HC. He said that things had happened with the Jets since the season ended and that Glenn's job is no longer as secure as it once was. It sounded like maybe the Jets had called Brady's agent or the Bills and asked for permission to speak to Brady. It may all be a bunch of crap, but I thought it interesting.