You couldn’t have a worse case scenario at the quarterback position than the Jets have right now.
Teaming Zach Wilson ( I refuse to go over his deficiencies again, we’ve done that for over a year) with Hackett.
Visions of his father, Paul, the most conservative play caller in Jet history, appeared again, like the Phoenix rising from the ashes.
After Saleh took the risk, of going for it on 4th and inches, the Hackett fetal position offense was highlighted for the world to see.
At the 2:03 and the 2:00 mark, the Jets ran into a nine man front with the Bills having single coverage on Garrett Wilson. The corner was a second year player, starting his first NFL game.
If the Jets really want to be a playoff contender, a Super Bowl contender that was the time to TAKE THE TRAINING WHEELS OFF OF ZACH. And let him pass to Wilson. Zach
Wilson is not a rookie, he is a third year player, if he can’t be trusted to attack a defense. Than he shouldn’t be playing.
Dallas must be licking their chops knowing that they will be facing the Zach Hackett duo.
New England is next, again, Belichick will use the nine man front that he used in the Infamous 10-3 Jet lose up in New England.
Not once, did the Jets call a roll out with Zach. One of the few things he does half decent.
David, you said that Ryan or Flacco would be a statue, well keeping Zach in the pocket will also attract pidgeons.
Five months of hope and happiness destroyed at the 11 minute mark of the first quarter.
Last year when I told my son that Breece Hall was done for the year. He said to me, dad, it seems that the Jets can never have nice things.
Rodgers injury really proves that the Jets can’t have nice things.
I don’t really get into announcers and color men analyst. But over the years, a few fans on Twitter X have said that Buck has a anti NY bias.
Well it must be true, he went out of his way to mention numerous times that Surratt leg whipped the Bill defender. He said it during every replay and numerous times in his closing remarks.
And while I got myself going on officiating, the Allen td pass could have been replayed from all 37 cameras that ESPN is so proud to tell people about their coverage. There was a picture on X that should the ball still in Allen’s hand as he is lifting his foot off of the line of scrimmage.
David, you have described this perfectly - a roller coaster with such highs and potentially an especially hard-right-cross-to-the-jaw low.
Duane Brown was a revolving door last night, though Saleh was partially right in describing the injury play as having extended further. But Brown simply wasn't good enough - you couple that with seeing how Rodgers' foot seemed to get stuck in the turf, and you can't discount the field factor.
What to do, moving forward? Options are some combination of...
1 > Hackett starts using more 12 & 22 packages, with the left side TE chipping the pass rusher for an extra second of time for the QB to stay safe.
2 > Find some way to get Mitchell and Turner better at RT, especially against pass rush, and if Coach Carter can accomplish that, then...
3 > Ramp Tippmann up to either play at C, or RG if you're thinking of moving AVT back to RT - Saleh should certainly consider...
3 > ... Moving Becton back to LT.
4 > ... Or moving AVT to RT and moving Becton to LT, sitting Brown.
5 > Bring Tippmann along as the RG, keep Becton at LT, and move AVT to LT.
5 > Using available Cap space to sign an available LT. I know the pickings are slim, you're not going to get a quality starter, but I think you'll very likely get someone better at pass protection from the left than we have now with Brown. George Fant, anyone?
With the above moves, the line would then be:
> Becton-Tomlinson-McGovern-Tippmann-AVT... or
> AVT-Tomlinson-McGovern-Tippmann-Becton.
I know, guys, the above is a lot of nose-hair pulling, but it is what it is...
On the QB side of the issue, I really think JD is going to have to get a veteran QB. Not Ryan, not Flacco - they are sculptures as you rightly note; would be very interested in what my JetsWay Bruddahs think about Nick Foles, Jacoby Brissett, or even Carson Wentz.
Of the three, I like Brissett's attitude the best, but let's face it, none of these guys are as good passing the ball as Rodgers, but I think they are better passers than Wilson. The question is how fast any prospective vet QB can assimilate Hackett's offense - that's who I'd go with.
Seriously, this is not me floating a crazy notion while still under the influence of that empty bottle of Tito's staring at me from the top of the garbage can. Brady mentioned something this season, when asked about Rodgers, that I practically fell out my chair upon reading it. In his assessment of how he thought Rodgers would do this year, he said that the Jets "are a pretty good team". The sun rose in the West for me when I read that.
If you never ask the question, the answer is always no... why not give it a shot, JD - ask the GOAT if he'd like to give it a shot?
Yes, alot of desperation in the above thoughts, maybe that Tito's is still exerting some kinda residual effect... but I strongly believe the Jets simply cannot squander the potential this defense has to carry us into the playoffs and beyond. But there is hope; think back to the 2000 season; Super Bowl 35 - the Ravens vs the Giants and the similarities to the 2023 Jets:
> Ravens had an outstanding defense - check.
> Ravens had an average QB (Dilfer) - check.
> Ravens had a top rusher (Jamal Lewis) - check.
K, guys, that's about it for now... lemme know what youze think.
CGV, I think you might have to the right idea. Tippman is one of our 5 best o-lineman. He needs to be in there. Figure out the best alignment but fix it quick. The Cowboys will be even tougher to block than the Bill’s who did have their best pass rusher.
That is a laundry list of changes. I'm not sure that all of that is necessary. The offensive line was average last night, but there were certainly positives to take with the negatives. I'm sure the front office is weighing all of the possible moves they could make, but I get the feeling that you'll see them give their own guys a chance to rally around the defense and running game. Introducing a number of new starters (and potentially a brand new quarterback) after the first game (a win, no less) is a little panicky for my liking. Let these fellas play football.
Outside of Brown, the line was decent, but that doesn't mean a thing. Brown looked like he was 50 and was repeatedly beaten by both Rousseau and Floyd. Maybe it's because of rust, but that point is moot right now. Becton had a pretty good night but was susceptible to the speed rush on a couple of plays. The interior played decently and most of the real pass rush pressure came from the outside. They still had issues in the run game. Hall did wonders with the little creases he got, as did Cook on occasion. Cook looked 2 steps slow on most of his runs where he could have gotten more than he did. If the same thing happens against Dallas, which has a lot better defense than Buffalo, they have to reshuffle the o-line with any of the combinations shown above, it's not a choice anymore if they really want to make a run at something positive. It's going to be some combination of Becton, AVT, McGovern, Tippman and Tomlinson, who looked better than last year. You cannot put Billy Turnstile out there to replace Brown. I'm sure you will disagree with it, but I think that's the only option out there. There is no longer time to let them gel.
The line played okay and you think it's a good idea to reconfigure the entire group? Duane Brown, for all of the talk of how terrible and old he is, graded out as their second best offensive lineman last night. He looked fine and played fine. Offensive linemen need time to continue to play with one another. Do that, and you'll get good results. Start shaking things up after one game and you can bet on more pressure issues.
not for nothin, but those grading systems grade every play and average out the grade. But what do your eyes tell you, especially when Brown (or any other OLineman) was really bad on a few plays?
I watched/rewound about 10 of those passing plays, to see how the tackles were doing. Brown looked slow, off-balance when he shifted his hips, most of the time. Becton was caught reacting on a couple of speed rushes, as Mike Z notes, but this is something that was also a relative weakness for him during his rookie year. He did better than Brown - and maybe this is a stretch, but I think Becton's play is likely on an upward trajectory, and will likely improve, if only because he's carrying 35 # less than his rookie playing weight of 380-385.
I sincerely hope the Jets have someone dedicated to Becton's diet management who can get Becton down from the 355-360 he's doing now, and get him to lose another 10 pounds. This will help him with his quickness and will not sacrifice his strength, because he is a beast - and a couple of times he just pancaked guys out there.
I think Becton-Tomlinson-McGovern-Tippmann-AVT can work well here. Get them alot of reps with Zach in practice, get JT up to snuff in coordinating with the other OLinemen. That's the quickest, Occam's Razor approach to stopping the LT bloodloss.
AND I'd still be shopping for FA OL who has stayed in shape and has a reliability record, plus has pass protection chops.
I hear you on the shaking things up part, but seriously I think Brown is too slow - and this is only going to be shown to be an even more glaring weakness as the games stack up. Other teams, especially the really good pass-rushing teams, are already planning to shred our OL. Tear off that Scab now, slap the neosporin on and start workin' the problem - that's what JD, Saleh and coaches have to do.
AND I'd still be shopping for another QB, just not Wentz as he's a cancer in the locker room.
The Jets are not going to cure their OL problem by next week, unless they replace Brown at LT. You think Rousseau was dangerous? He's nothing compared to the Dallas front four and Micah Parsons. And I want to see Wilson hopefully get better, not get planted into the A T & T stadium turf and get hurt.
I haven't scanned the wires since around 12 midday EST, so maybe, hopefully, I'll check and see that JD is makin' moves quickly.
I agree with your point that the Jets cannot go into the full-blown panic mode that fans are doing. They have to trust their guys. We all knew that with Brown's not practicing and Becton only being given a shot at starting late that the OL had no shot to gel. The OL and OL Coach Carter just have to work harder and smarter and get the OL fixed. Brown may have to take a seat eventually, but as long as he shows improvement over the next game or two, he should be given a while to get it together. If he doesn't show improvement, however, and looks as bad or worse, then Jets will have no choice other than to give Turner a shot or sign the former Eagles LT who is in his 40s.
Daniel, I love ya guy, but if you think Brown was fine last night, then I don't know what to tell you other than perhaps you should consider getting your eyes checked. If Brown graded out as the 2nd best OL then that shows what a farce the grading system is, and it loses all credibility imo and should just be scrapped.
like I said in a post a few moments ago, the grading system averages out everything and does not take note of extreme plays, good or bad. Our eyes do, however and like you, I saw Brown as being slow, and that against grade B to B+ Bills pass rushers. In 5 days they face Micah Parsons, Dexter Lawrence who are better than Von Miller, as good as Nick Bosa. Rousseau is very good, but not as good as those two guys.
There are other things Hackett can do - run more TE's, keeping one off Brown's shoulder to help with the pass blocking. Carter can do this, too, though I like his pass blocking from the traditional RB spot - he sees the entire line and takes the first threat breach effectively. The trouble with facing a Cowboys defensive pass rush is that they send 5 guys alot more often than we do, and their front four is almost as good as ours in shredding/disrupting the pocket - which is when Micah Parsons and his 4.39 time blast in.
well, those are my opinions, we'll see what happens - time to scan the wire, see if JD has been working the phones or not.
If Brown stays at LT, despite whatever improvements he may make in these next four-five days, he's not going to improve his quickness - and I fear that leaving him in there against the Cowboys rush will be a disaster.
The offensive line wasn't amazing or even good. They were fine, though. Brown was okay. He graded out okay and was often in the right place at the right time and not getting beat. That's what you do as an offensive lineman. Those grades, combined with the few write-ups I've read (Barnwell did a solid and brief summary), mirrored what my eyes saw. I'm sorry buddy, but I trust my understanding of offensive line play, and Brown played a solid game.
OK is different than "fine" and/or "second best". I'll accept that he was OK overall, but not fine. "Fine" indicates that his play was good and didn't need improvement. I don't like or trust anything Barnwell says. We'll have to agree to disagree.
I see your point - consider my above as an initial brainstorm which never means it will be immediately implemented. All suggestions presume a period of intense practice and preparation to assimilate into the new. None more so than the OLine, I would think - but since no available FA QB has experience with Hackett's offense, I see Zach being the starter for the near future, only to change if - IF - a FA QB with the qualities I describe is brought in now, and proceeds to bone up on the playbook, the offense, and on gelling with the other offensive players.
So its not really introducing new players after the first game; but any such players, if brought in now, can become active/productive say from game 3, 4 and onward.
For now, the immediate threat is Dallas and their pass rush. Wilson is gonna start; that's a given, can't change anything in six days than would be better than him.
The OLine, however, is an entirely different story. Duane Brown cannot continue playing LT, I don't care what Saleh sez. Or if Saleh can work that motivator-magic that somehow transforms Brown into a quality pass protection LT, I really, really doubt he can do this in 6 days, really 4 if just counting practice.
What to do? We have other players that can slip into LT spot. Becton can. AVT can. both are trade-offs. If Becton slides over to the left, are the Jets going to put Mitchell or Turner in at RT? Don't think so. Better to slide AVT over to RT, and start giving Tippmann some seriously Mondo-Slade repititions at RG. What's the Trade-off? we lose blocking power for the run game over the right side, breaking up what started to look last night like a lethal runBlocking duo of AVT & Becton. Plus side of the trade-off? I think Becton will be a better passblocker on the left than Brown is, and we do now gain his run-blocking prowess on that side of the line. Unknown factor in Trade-off? Tippmann @ RG, he's only had a limited experience fm College, maybe fm training camp.
AND, ramp up training Mitchell or Turner to become more proficient at Pass Blocking...
AND, hunt for FA LT who has a resume of good pass blocking. George Fant comes to mind, but his cred is now three years old on that front.
In the meantime, while Zach is the starter, expect 7, 8 man boxes against the run. To that, I think Hackett can get legs out of running "12", "20" and "22" packages if he wants to show run or pass (and have the extra beef in Ruckert & Conklin to help with the Pass Block Chip then release to safety valve pass); "13" package if he's really gonna ground and pound, leaving one WR to keep that side honest.
I expect Hackett will be running alot of 3 and 5step WC pass packages, really drill into Wilson getting rid of the rock quick.
And, to paraphrase Bobber in an earlier post, Hackett must give Wilson a limited ability to change the play at the LOS. If he sees Garrett in one-on-one coverage, Wilson MUST be able to be allowed to audible into a pass package to exploit that, said pass package keeping an extra body back to help block, of course (kudos to Michael Carter for being this guy in last night's game).
In short, I guess you could say my approach is ...
(A) FIX OL with what we have now, shuffle pieces as needed to stop the bloodloss at LT...
(B) get some body(ies) now, school 'em up while working with we now have in Wilson, and...
(C) get a veteran QB with reliable short/mid range pass skills, good head on his shoulders, enough legs to get outta trouble, and start schooling HIM up into the Hackett offense.
All this takes time, during which the fellas will be playing some football... and i'm fairly confident that our defense - if ZW doesn't kill them with endless 3-&-outs - can keep us in every game.
I'm not onboard with bringing in new dudes, but if they find someone who makes sense, I'd love to see how it works out. I loved the Duvernay-Tardiff pickup last year, so it's possible to find a match.
Thanks for pointing out Michael Carter putting in work protecting the Q last night! He had an absolutely beautiful cut on one of Zach's completions! I loved the little things he was doing. There were even times last night where Zach looked like he was starting to feel confident. That needs to happen. Confidence is a big impediment for him.
Regarding Brown, he didn't stick out (sticking out in a bad way) to me. The Rodgers injury play is an easy one to bring up (I don't think you did that, which I appreciate), but I thought he looked lithe and limber most of the night. I'd, of course, enjoy seeing Mitchell or Tippman successfully working into the lineup, but I just don't see that happening after a single game where results were average.
I, honestly, would be fine with them promoting Boyle and signing somebody like Anthony Brown onto the practice squad.
CGV, I think you might have to the right idea. Tippman is one of our 5 best o-lineman. He needs to be in there. Figure out the best alignment but fix it quick. The Cowboys will be even tougher to block than the Bill’s who did have their best pass rusher.
Douglas knowing full well that one injury to Rogers and it was back to Wilson made a gross miscalulation in not bringing in somehow like Teddy Bridgewater. Any other team would have gotten rid of Wilson after twice giving him a chance. Now he gets a third chance when nothing has changed ? If a superbowl bound 49er team can get rid of Lance - then Jets sure culd have gotten rid of Wilson. Sure being there was pure exceitment winning the game. But going with Wilon the rest of the way - looking at losing the locker room and a top 5 pick - just cant root for this team - its ridiculous, 54 years of pure misery !!!!!!!
No, the Jets couldn't have gotten rid of Wilson, nor should they have. Thankfully, our CS isn't as impatient and prone to knee-jerk reactions that some fans are. Even if the Jets had wanted to get rid of Wilson, they would have taken a huge dead money hit on the cap and that would have prevented their being able to trade for Rodgers.
Agreed! But I think maybe we should have brought in a Jacoby Brissett or Taylor Heinecke as they have proven to be capable fill ins. This was supposed to be a year or two of grooming Zach to be ready.
not a knee jerk reaction - and the dead money has to be a minial hes still on a rookie contract. He has had 2 chanes and failed them both - how does he get a third ? ASND Because the GM sticks with him The Jets stay out of the playoffs again and prob get a top 10 pick - how is that acceptable ?
It's totally a knee-jerk reaction. Jets fan sites are a joke today all they crying, whining, moaning, complaining, and feeling sorry for themselves. If I wasn't disappointed I'd be laughing at everyone. It's like chicken little and the sky is falling for many Jets fans.
It is what it is. Sure, it's disappointing and our hopes were dashed, but for any long-term Jets fan, it's not like we haven't been though this many times before. I'm going to try my best to enjoy this season and have fun, as it probably is going to be my last following and rooting for the Jets. They just can't seem to get out of their own way. No matter who the GM, HC or owner is, they always find a way to screw it up every time they have any hope, and in almost 60 years of following this team, there have been precious few times to have any hope.
There were a lot of positives from last night's game. The team recovered from the gut-wrenching loss of Rodgers, didn't quit, fought hard and won. Clearly Quincy Williams has improved markedly. So has Whitehead. We have a lot of great young talent on this team. G. Wilson and Hall are going to become superstars. Hall's play last night was nothing short of amazing. Q, JJ, Huff, Jefferson, and Reed all were very good. Hopefully, whatever was affecting Sauce's play last night will be in the past and he'll return to form vs. Dallas.
Yes, we Jets fans can agree this is groundhog day tough shit for us, as we've been here before. BUT - we didn't bail on our guys then, and we Sure as SHIT, are NOT going to start Bailing on them now.
This is the only site i comment on, because I love the breadth of knowledge you guys have, the devotion to our team, and ya'll don't start pullin' hissy fits when the shit hits the fan. Ya pick urselves up, brush off the dust, bear down and move forward. My kinda guys. I think this starts from the Top, and David truly does a great job with this blog, not the least of which he brings up unique analyses (that the other crybaby blogs don't, they're too busy crying...)
OK, 'nuff a' dat - let's move on to some observations --
> HOPE - We've got plenty to be thankful for, and have serious bullets in our gun still. the Defense. the Special Teams. the Offense skill positions. all playoff capable.
> DEFENSE - these guys if they stay healthy, can take us far. Think 2000 Bucs with Trent Dilfer at QB. We have a similar makeup - incredible defense, great running game... so we are just one competent, avg to avg+ game manager at QB - more on that below.
> DEFENSE WEAKNESS that other teams will try to exploit - Our guys are great, but they are not superhuman. Keep them on the field long enough, wear them out by forcing our offense to do multiple 3-&-Outs (like happened in 2022), and our guys become beatable. And opposing DC's will attempt to do just that; they did it last year against the 2022 QB room; and they'll keep doing it until Zach and our offense shows them they can't.
> OFFENSE - which brings us to Zach. He showed some improvement last night - i thought for a brief second, in the 3rd quarter when he missed a pass to Garrett Wilson. The camera first shot to Garrett and he was clearly frustrated, then it shot to Zach's face and he almost - Almost - started getting that Deer-in-Headlights look he had most of last year. But then, something great happened - on the sideline, his teammates came up to him with encouragement. Garrett provided great encouragement to him - I could see in Zach's body language that he was taking it to heart, that the encouragement was authentic. The TEAM came together in this moment of adversity - quite the 180 from last year when they were lost souls.
I think Zach needs that; needs to know that the stars on this Offense can and will place their trust in him, and I saw a little bit of that last night, not little as in barely there, but briefly as in, "we've been pulling together as a team this whole preseason, and we are a TEAM FIRST". That it was a brief Tell, means that it wasn't an affectation, this was genuine -- and has been a genuine development since training camp --- and I have to give thanks to Aaron Rodgers because he is the catalyst that has brought this wondrous development to fruition.
I think there's a chance - couldn't rate how much of one - that Zach responds favorably to this and can grow into that avg+ game manager that doesn't get psychologically blown out, cuts his mistakes down, forgets his mistakes the very next play. He can do all these things; he can get back up from falling down - because he's gotta know that the TEAM is behind him, supporting him.
Can he lose that edge? Of course! He did so last year. But he's a year older, a year wiser - and despite his failings, he has been taken under the wing of the QB he idolized during his youth, and who has given him 100% of himself to get him better. So AGAIN, I give thanks to #8 for bringing this wondrous development and transfusing it into the Jets team. Which can work wonders for this team, lead Zach to not succumb to revolving 3 and Outs, which then means our Defense is more rested and more likely to devour opposing QB's. Lots of things to be thankful here, Craig, lots of opportunities to get past the loss of #8.
> OFFENSIVE LINE - Occam's Razor - what can the Jets do in the quickest amount of team to get the LT pass blocking fixed? I've posted here before, a quick summary - hopefully our OLine looks like this next week:
(... Tippmann @ center and McGovern at RG can work too here ...)
Notice that Duane Brown isn't in the starting lineup.
So yeah, Craig - we've got a ton to be thankful for, we still have a fighting spirit, and I believe we can see great things from our team moving forward.
Never Quit. Never Give In. Only one word suffices for us to use as a Mantra:
for the most part i agree with you - but if you calling me a joke a whiner and a moaner and im felling sorry formesf that gets personal and i dont appreciate that. Who the hell feels sorry for themsleves after a Jets loss ? I didnt make it personal to you at all - i just disagreed. So screw that and your trash talking comments (thats too perosnal)!!!! After that i agree with you and for 54 years i've had it too. I'll try and get into to but will be hard to as the losses mount. I for one will not renew my season. tickets if this turns out to be a disaster and thats 40 years of season tickets over 3 stadiums. Sure with the team they have and they way the players kept the crowd into it you would like to think they still could win 10 - i just dont see it - at least today anyway.
I do think your comment about getting rid of Wilson was a knee jerk reaction and not dealing with reality. The dead money hit would have been just under $21 million.
I wasn't calling you a joke or a whiner, however. I'm sorry, if the way I stated things made you think I was. I was referring to the overall negative tone today on all Jets fan sites. While it's not unexpected, it still gets old, especially when posters continue to make what I think are dumb comments regarding Zach. I'm a positive, optimistic person by nature, and all the negativity just gets overwhelming. I've seen enough of the comments regarding Zach. You don't give up on a young QB with the arm talent that he has. The Jets totally screwed up his development, and he actually regressed.
In my career, my work involves teaching and training people. Everyone doesn't learn in the same way or in the same time. Some very talented people take a long time for the light to go on. Most Jets fans don't have a clue what it takes for players to learn and develop, they are too impatient and too quick to make judgments about players, and their expectations are unrealistic. I understand that's because of all the years of losing and inept play, but it's still wrong. Jets fans should root for every player on the team and hope that they develop, not trash them at every opportunity. It's funny to me. Fans act like jilted lovers when they do that. I used to be that way, and still have to fight the impulse to be that way.
Of course this is a blow to the Jets and to its fanbase. I have my doubts about the rest of the season as well, and I may be even more pessimistic than you. At this point, I think they'll probably be lucky to win 7 games, and that will take Zach playing a lot better than he has the last 2 seasons, and Hackett pulling his head out of his ass, and quit being so predictable in his play calling. He's supposedly creative as a teacher, well he needs to be creative in his play calling too.
I think the team will continue to play hard and not quit. Saleh's going to get a lot more of the type of comments he hates hearing like about "how hard the Jets played." I'm just going to focus on rooting for the team, and the individual players I really like and hope for the best. At least the team should be somewhat competitive and not get blown out.
I knew you were a good guy Craig - no sorry needed. XOXOXOXO. Im going to try and get behind the team and Wilson. The old day it took 5 years to get a QB ready before he started. Now it seems it has to instant. I agree too tat The Jets starting him right out of college was not right. Cant handcuff him like you say - let him go and see what happnes
I'll be saying similar to this on GGN later, but I think there are reasons to be positive about ZW. All of us have a tendency to judge him on the basis of the last two years - and that is PROBABLY right, but not CERTAINLY right.
Last night, if you had come down from Mars having missed his NFL career to date, you'd have said he looked like a very serviceable backup. He completed 60% of his passes. He made some good tight window throws. Notably, he seemed to feel pressure and escape it. Notably too, he made two of his good throws from the pocket, between the hashes - both things that were big weaknesses before.
He did this against a VERY good Bills defense, in a game where he wasn't supposed to start, and hadn't been practicing with the 1s all week.
He's obviously getting the start in Dallas, and will have had a full week of practice. I wouldn't be rushing into a panic move this week - Wentz et al will still be there if we need them come week 3. But there's a reason these guys are free agents.
Yeah that one was brutal, but it was one. You're going to get those exact plays with Jameis or Wentz as well, though, which is precisely why they're free agents.
CG, what do you think those teams are going to ask the Jets to give up for Brissett or Taylor? I'm not willing to sacrifice the future for this season. I'd be surprised if their teams were willing to trade either of them. Foles is not the answer imo, but of the FA QBs who are out there, he is the ONLY one I'd consider. Carson Wentz is awful, and he is not liked anywhere he goes. He definitely would not be a fit with the Jets.
I don't know about Tyrod Taylor - for one he's a Giant, and dem boys juss don't like us (and I say, fuggemback, too!) but a trade is a trade. if not draft capital, what do the giants need? OL, we've got none. Another receiver, nope. Only thing I see is DL secondary, and we're not gonna change anything on the defense.
Bobber, a lot of veteran QBs still make that mistake. Rodgers did it in the last preseason game or maybe it was one of the joint practices. The only difference is that the defender dropped the ball that time, I believe. Favre did it his whole career.
I'm fed up with the Zach bashing. Every Jets site, it's the same thing, there's a group of posters who continually bash him no matter what, they do it out of context in threads discussing something totally different. I'm at the point that I'm ready to totally stop reading or posting on any Jets fan site. It's disgusting and sickening, and it's making me hate other Jets fans. I appreciate your keeping your comments short today, but I implore you to give it a rest. Some of us want to enjoy the season and be positive, and the constant negativity about Zach and JD ruins these sites.
Craig, unfortunately us being positive has no bearing on the game’s outcomes. Again, this a newsletter where members come to exchange opinions and ideas. You can’t orchestrate the narrative here or in any group. This is a football blog not Mr. Rogers Neighborhood!
"this is a football blog, not mr. Rodgers neighborhood"
- or Bobber's Bag of Bashful Bloggers from Brooklyn -- << haha snark-in-a-stupid-darwin-award-candidate kinda way... yeah, I can do that shitshow but goo-o-o-od!! >>
(sorry Bobber, i've been hittin that Tito's again, still not over what happened last night or the rollercoaster ride...)
I never said that our opinions have a bearing on the game's outcomes. That's silly! I know that no one can orchestrate the narrative on a website except the owner or moderator. I don't appreciate your comment about Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, but please by all means continue to be an asshole.
OK, again, name calling? Are we in kindergarten? Grow up! Your obviously new to group dynamics’s! The comment section of this newsletter is a blog. It’s an open forum for discussions. More often than not discussions will involve disagreements. That’s fine. That’s why most of us come here. If we all agreed on everything this would be no fun at all. So why you insist on “correcting everyone who differs from your opinion is a mystery to me. Maybe try agreeing to disagree? Peace out pro! Have a blessed day!
I wasn't trying to correct anyone! I was just stating my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad. If you don't like being called a name, then don't act/respond in a manner that is like that name. You obviously think that you can do no wrong and that everything you say is OK. It isn't. I've never said that we all should agree on everything, nor do I expect that. Quit gaslighting and deflecting, grow up yourself, get over yourself, and quit acting a cocky know-it-all asshole. I do expect others to be respectful and not continuously bash a Jets player when they know that doing so offends others. We're all well aware of your feelings/opinion of Zach. You don't need to mention it every few days. You don't know everything, although you obviously think you do. I think it best that we just don't respond to each other in the future. I don't like you or your attitude.
Man, I don't know about Wentz. Though I don't put holy writ stock into anything most sports writers put out, I've seen 3 or different sources show no enthusiasm for Carson. One site actually wrote that Wentz "... got himself pushed out of three teams ..." . Whatever that may seem to imply, to me it sounds like locker-room poison. We simply cannot have any kind of negativity at all amongst the players.
Sorry John, no sale! Other than the interception he didn’t screw it up! That’s a very low bar. He looked exactly the same to me. Indecisive! And that’s been his problem since he came here. He’s not at BYU throwing in to big windows to wide open receivers behind a solid o-line. He will be exposed against a Dallas pass rush that made Danny Dimes look like Zach Wilson 2021-22! We can’t win with Zach! The only good to come from this is we get to keep our first round pick. This draft is loaded at OT, QB, S and possibly WR. We can sign a free agent go get us through this season. It can’t be Tim Boyle who they will bring in for a week or two to back up Zach because he knows the offense but if they truly feel they can still compete we need a better option.
I agree Ron, Wilson is pretty much done. The Jets won't pick up his 5th year option, unless he magically turns into the Joe Namath who never had knee problems and got into the HOF specifically because of his play. I just don't see him improving to the point that he can be a viable option for making it to the playoffs.
OMG. it’s the fans that are SOF (Same Old Fans). A couple of questions for all of the nay sayers going into panic mode.
1. Do you think Hackett had a game plan designed around Zack?
2. what QB would have played well with the way our O line played.
3. Did the Jets Win or Lose.
I was crushed when Aaron went down. But look at what was going on with him under center. Three drop backs and three extreme pressures. Zero completion’s.
Now I will defend the o line a little. They have had very little work together at were at best very rusty. But look at the Bills o line not a much better result. Look at a lot of teams that played Sunday lots of struggles by o lines. Defenses have an advantage at the start of the season especially when starters are mostly held out of preseason.
Do I think Zack is Aaron hell no but with all the talent on the Jets team I think if the o line can provide protection we are still a playoff team.
I also hope Aaron still spends time with the team, he can still have an impact in not letting the team buy into all the doom and gloom SOF have.
I think he will return to the team when his health allows. Probably won’t be for at least a month when he starts his rehab at the team’s facility. As for Zach, we shall see. Hackett’s gotta let the kid play. Bibber mentioned the late game situation where we ran into a 9/to 10 man box with GW in single coverage against an inexperienced corner. Either Zach can play or he can’t. Better to find out sooner than later so we can try to make a move by the deadline. I’m not trading a first for a Matt Stafford who comes with more health concerns that our 49 year old QB.
Douglas/Saleh both screwed up royally. How can u not have an experienced B/U QB Behind Rodgers knowing 1 play away puts in the B/U! And unfortunately it happened, & now they’re back to 6 months ago with Wilson as the starting QB? WHAT! Nothing has changed. What will definitely change is that both Douglas & Saleh will be fired after this season! Count on it!
Agreed on that. Been saying that since the early offseason. ZW should have been bubble wrapped into the BQ3 role with someone like Jacoby Brissett as the backup. And let’s not even get into the OT position where for 2 consecutive years we go into the season with both presumed starters coming off season ending surgeries! I can understand that leap of faith once but after how it went down in 2022 there is no way that happens again this season. The very definition of insanity.
Interesting...I just saw the following on another Jets fan site. I wonder if it was Hackett or Carter who wanted the cutblocks?
From Zach Rosenblatt Twitter:
Aaron Rodgers had expressed to #Jets coaches that he doesn't like the play-calls involving the cut-blocks because he can't extend the play and it forces him to get rid of the ball quickly, sources tell me and
@DMRussini
. It failed twice on his four drop-backs — one resulted in a throwaway, on the other he got injured when Duane Brown's cut failed to stop Leonard Floyd.
That’s a tough call. Every offense uses hands down blocking in the short passing game. The defenders see the QB raise up to throw and with no time to rush the QB it’s the only thing they can do. I can understand Rodgers thinking but even he’s not gonna win that argument very often. I don’t see how Carter would have much if any say on that decision. That’s the OC’s call. Hackett must have felt that that was the best technique to employ on those plays!
Everyone has propounded their thoughts quite elegantly, but I like to keep it simple. Duane Brown has had a hell of a career, but I think he has hit the end of the line. Irrespective of play calls or audibles he was taken to school by Rousseau and Floyd. My personal feeling was that he shouldn't have played hurt all of last year. It more than likely made the damage more severe and that would lead to a more complex fix and a longer healing and rehab time. It's no sure bet, but he probably would have looked a lot better last night. The rest of the o-line wasn't horrible and had some issues opening up good running lanes. Breece Hall made magic happen with his personal ability alone. Dalvin Cook looked good about every other play but didn't have the extra gear to pull away from defenders who caught him. No AR meant that the entire passing game developed during TC and preseason is gone, period. Any talk of an all-in season now is superfluous because without AR it's not going to happen, as neither Wilson, Foles, Brissett or Wentz is going to be able to do it. Maybe if we had a Justin Herbert or a Joe Burrow I could see it happening but that's a pipe dream. Forget about making some crazy trade for Stafford or someone like him, it's not going to get the job done and that's a fact. If the o-line can't protect a quarterback properly it doesn't matter whom you bring in. Sometimes you just have to accept reality and move on. The defense basically won the game for the Jets, no disrespect to Xavier Gipson, he made an amazing and veteran-like punt return for the winning score. But the defense won the game and made Allen look confused as hell and as the game went on he got stubborn and continued to NOT use his head and gave it up four times. Q1 and Q2 both had outstanding games and Jamien Sherwood looked pretty serviceable and will get better with playing time. All three corners played fantastic and the safeties weren't too bad, though Ashtyn Smith came in a looked to have misread a play and could have been right in the lane for a PBU or maybe even a pick. Whitehead had a great game, but Amos didn't cover himself in glory. Special teams were outstanding. The only positive thing about last night is that the Jets get to keep their 1st round pick in 2024. And I hope there are some good QB prospects for next year's draft because they are going to have to get one, as there is no guarantee that AR can or will want to come back after the Achilles tear. I will continue to hope for a miracle because that's what it's going to take.
I don't want to be a broken record, but Brown actually was their second best offensive lineman last night and graded out quite well. He played better than is being talked about on this particular thread.
Agreed! Everyone looked at the obvious for someone to blame. Again, I haven’t seen the full 22 but it looked to be that Brown and Becton on an earlier play we’re looking to get the defenders hands down so Rodgers could throw a quick hitter. Things are not always what they appear initially....
I have to disagree with you about all three CBs playing well. I don't know what game Ron and you were watching, but Sauce looked awful. He looked slow, he was beaten badly on every throw where the camera isolated on him, and his attempts at tackling were weak and pathetic. He truly looked like a JAG out there last night just going through the motions. Reed was staying with Diggs most of the time. Sauce wasn't staying with Diggs or anyone else that came to his side of the field.
Watching that game last night was surreal. I'll be the first to admit that Rodgers wasn't my first choice when it came to quarterback options. I was more on the Jacoby Brissett train from the get-go, but I wanted to give Rodgers a chance to convert me. I was resigned to rooting for the dude by proxy (since he was the starting Q for my favorite team) while still disliking him. Seeing him go down last night was a shitty feeling because it's appalling to see a guy get his hard work washed away (while in the back of my mind, I'm thinking to myself "Now I don't have to root for him"). That certainly is a bad taste to have in your mouth. That's why it was so nice to see the rest of the team rally around the next guy up and pull out a gutty win. So....that's enough of my own personal foibles in dealing with how I felt about Rodgers going down.
Let's move on to the rest of the year, though. I've rooted for crappy teams before. This isn't one of those. They'll be competitive with a transcendent defense and loads of skill position talent on offense. Zach Wilson makes for a major rollercoaster ride, of course, but I'll buy in. Lets see how the team performs. He seems like a good kid and actually looked like he was playing some ball last night. I noticed him getting lathered up a bit late in the game. That isn't to say that his game was pretty. It was replete with mistakes, boneheaded decisions, shitty footwork, and telegraphed reads. He did, however, have some moments where he started to play football instead of thinking about what the right decision. I'd rather he have more of those good moments, of course, but seeing that shine through, for however small an amount of time, was encouraging to see (especially in a win).
Regarding the calls for spending a bunch of assets to bring in yet another stopgap quarterback feels counterproductive. Expecting another quarterback who doesn't know Hackett's system to come in off of the street (or from another team, I suppose....I don't see that happening because I think the front office will be averse to pouring even more money and assets into a black hole) and learn the offense from scratch is wishful thinking. It's also a little fanciful to expect the coaching staff to reconfigure the entire offensive line because fans on message boards and talking heads who get paid to have takes are clamoring for changes based on an incomplete picture. The offensive line had some bad moments, but it also had some good moments. Additionally, those bad moments are correctable. Offensive line is one of the main positions where the whole truly is greater than the sum of its parts. The more time these guys have together to learn one another's eccentricities, the more cohesive they'll become as a unit, and the more success they'll have. The offensive line isn't, necessarily, broken. It is developing. There isn't a necessity to try and fix it (especially with the idea of bringing in anybody off of the street).
In summation....let's take a moment to enjoy the win, take an additional moment to give a thought to Aaron Rodgers and what shitty luck he had (luck is the main thing behind those Achilles injuries), briefly consider the alternate reality where Rodgers didn't get hurt and the Jets may have played better or worse (there's no knowing), and gear up to root our asses off for this team with all of its flaws and blemishes.
click the link that sez #2 - watch (located below the miniscreen showing Buf@NYJ with the helmets superimposed on the screen).
you'll be taken to another window - wolfstream.tv - with a countdown for 123 movies player.
let the countdown finish, then the vid will play at 1280x720 resolution (some games 1920x1280, but not all).
Now, for me at this point, I use an extension named Video DownloadHelper. I click the above vid, then I check the Video DownloadHelper link (which I've placed up on the toolbar).
When there's no video active in the browser window, the downloadHelper icon is greyed out. You'll see it in tri-color indicating you'll then be able to download the vid.
clicking the DownloadHelper link you'll see a popup window with info on the vid you want to d/load. click either one (for this video, they're both the same quality).
Now you'll go back to the orig screen where the game is playing. The DownloadHelper will now have a number super-imposed on the icon, indicating you have 1 video downloading.
If you click the downloadHelper icon again. This time, the popup window will have a blue circle and the number "1" in white. if you click that number, you'll see another popup, which will read that it's downloading the video, and also gives you a progress bar, percentage completion and time-so-far.
I know, it's some details above, but i'm an old school tweener; as a boomer I should be grumbling about where my cup holder on the old PC tower is. But really, the above just explains each step and what you'll see. You go through it once, and you'll be an old hat instantly with this.
PS: and Mike, the video downloadhelper extension works for Chrome, Firefox, Waterfox, Opera - I use all these browsers. you'll just have to search for it and be specific in what browser you want the download helper for:
" waterfox video downloadhelper extension ", for example.
Google will show the match for what you're looking for.
Let me know it goes, bruh... and if you wanna email me, i'm at Jets9658@gmail.com
hey, and double PostScript - remember the downloadHelper is going to save the video by it's default browser name - wolfstream.tv/embed- yada yada yada. Good to know when you search for the finished product on your pc (you can change the name afterwards to something like "JETS crash down on Bills - GIPSON THE HERO " or something like that :-)
sidenote - check out this vid of Josh Allen post game - he looks like he was kicked in both his 'nards, then was told by the doc he's only getting one back because they're keeping the other for medical study.
he actually sez at one point, "same shit, different day" --- Holy Cannoli but that is one serious mind-fuck right there. he reminded me actually of Zach Wilson, V.2022 - just a little better because he takes responsibility like a leader should.
And the disgusting part of the video - just listen to the media sharks.
They have no soul. One guy sez to Josh, "... I know it's fresh, Josh... this is something we've talked about... you had made it a point to say you were going to try and make a concerted effort to limit the turnovers this year... "
Man, oh, man - what a scumbag. this two-bit typewriter hack who probably drinks gut-rot whiskey on his good days, is throwing back words in a condescending manner to a pro QB who by the way, Josh Allen is an incredibly Excellent Class Act, Humble and Team-first as can be, and this scumbag... this scumbag...
I swear if I were there, I'd grab the mook by the scruff of his neck, give him a good shaking or three, stare him down so cold he' pee his trousers right then and there. And that's me as a Jets fan, very happy for the win, but as a Football Fan First. Respect always for the guy across from you because he's giving you 100% of his effort just like you are to him. You'd think the snowflakes hacks would know this, and carry over the respect into the interview.
It's a good thing that most players exercise good sportsmanship, especially after a tough loss like this - because if there were any enraged passions and acrimony when coming off the field and into the interview room, I think we'd definitely see more scumbag hacks getting their face punched in.
sidenote #2 - next week, we face the Cowboys. Was their pass rush that good against our crosstown neighbors? Or was it a combination of very good pass rush vs below average O-Line coupled with bad OC playcalls on the latter's part? Saleh, Carter better figure this out yesterday!
CGVet58
PS: Guys, after all the stupidity from Shithard Ward over in the NYG, and after reading shit posts from NYG fans on other blogs, I'm no longer pulling for the other New York Team. Remember, I'm old school NY, and have expressed my admiration for the older Parcells and Coughlin coached Blue - but now, even though I really like Brian Daboll as a coach, I plain don't give a hoot what dem boys do on the field, and smile when they get their comeuppance. That thrashing they received on Sunday Night - more critically, the way they just seemed to QUIT midway through the game - Schadenfreude, my Bruddahs, Schadenfreude. Not hoping for their demise, but certainly enjoying their face-plants - they had it coming.
David, when you watch the whole 22 I think you will see that on two or Aaron Rodgers passing attempts there was quick pressure that was not necessarily a result of poor protection. On the first one it looked like Becton got beat badly. But he was actually attempting to keep the defenders hands down as the play called for a 3 step drop and a quick throw. Ditto the next play where Brown employed the same technique. “ Hands down blocking is a staple of every NFL offense. The problem is when the ball doesn’t come out on schedule things can get ugly quickly. Now, obviously that wasn’t the case all day so yes, the protection needs to be a hell of a lot better or it’s gonna be another long season with Zach and his happy feet looking like Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk. 😂
You're very right, buddy. I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out what was going on on that Aaron Rodgers injury play. Duane Brown was the only guy on the offensive line who was trying to cut his man down, which says to me that it wasn't, necessarily, the kind of quick game where everybody is cutting to get hands down. It's possible that he was trying to quick-set the guy. If that was the case, Brown got Wally-Pipped by the defensive end. I'm not sure what was going on there. Otherwise, the offensive line looked below average early on in the game and started to show flashes late. Too many mistakes, of course, but I liked enough of it to have optimism with a game plan that isn't marred by an injury to the starting Q on the first series. I liked how Hackett leaned into 12, 13, 21, and 22 personnel late in the game. More of that, please!
I was thinking a slant to his side! The other guys don’t need to cut as the bass wasn’t going there way. My guess is AR did like what he saw and wanted to go to his next option? Just guessing at this point as I don’t have the “ whole 22” yet.
I tried to figure it out and couldn't. My guess was that Brown was trying to quickset whoever that defensive end was based on whatever their scouting report said about the guy. I know that that was a nice little hack in the chess match that is offensive line play. Again, we can't really know without that All-22 film and the actual play call. I know Rodgers is calling audibles all of the time, so maybe there was a miscommunication on one of those. Maybe Rodgers changed the protection and Brown didn't get the memo? Who knows.
It’s far too easy to be a Monday morning QB, or in this case a Tuesday one. The loss of Rodgers highlights a fear we all had. To wit, the inability of the offensive line to protect the QB. An aging LT without looked well past his prime....well I don’t want to get into a rant. JD did try to get Brown but I wonder if he could have done more. Relying that both OTs coming off injury to protect Rodgers was a risky proposition and the Jets paid the price.
I pray that he didn’t rupture his Achilles but fear the Jets tradition of snake biting was again validated tonight. Kudos to the team that played its ass off to pull out the victory. Our defense is outstanding. I can only dream about what Rodgers could have achieved if he wasn’t injured. Hopefully he will want to attempt a comeback but this could be career ending.
I again can not see how all of a sudden that the Jets are spinning it off that Zach Wilson is now they’re QB again! I mean really? Then why did the Jets go all out on getting Rodgers to begin with? Who is Saleh & Douglas kidding! And seriously maybe the Jets are cursed? Really a terrible situation on what happened with Rodgers. Such a travesty. BTW - I’m not also expecting Becton & Brown back at OT’s next year!
You couldn’t have a worse case scenario at the quarterback position than the Jets have right now.
Teaming Zach Wilson ( I refuse to go over his deficiencies again, we’ve done that for over a year) with Hackett.
Visions of his father, Paul, the most conservative play caller in Jet history, appeared again, like the Phoenix rising from the ashes.
After Saleh took the risk, of going for it on 4th and inches, the Hackett fetal position offense was highlighted for the world to see.
At the 2:03 and the 2:00 mark, the Jets ran into a nine man front with the Bills having single coverage on Garrett Wilson. The corner was a second year player, starting his first NFL game.
If the Jets really want to be a playoff contender, a Super Bowl contender that was the time to TAKE THE TRAINING WHEELS OFF OF ZACH. And let him pass to Wilson. Zach
Wilson is not a rookie, he is a third year player, if he can’t be trusted to attack a defense. Than he shouldn’t be playing.
Dallas must be licking their chops knowing that they will be facing the Zach Hackett duo.
New England is next, again, Belichick will use the nine man front that he used in the Infamous 10-3 Jet lose up in New England.
Not once, did the Jets call a roll out with Zach. One of the few things he does half decent.
David, you said that Ryan or Flacco would be a statue, well keeping Zach in the pocket will also attract pidgeons.
Five months of hope and happiness destroyed at the 11 minute mark of the first quarter.
Last year when I told my son that Breece Hall was done for the year. He said to me, dad, it seems that the Jets can never have nice things.
Rodgers injury really proves that the Jets can’t have nice things.
I don’t really get into announcers and color men analyst. But over the years, a few fans on Twitter X have said that Buck has a anti NY bias.
Well it must be true, he went out of his way to mention numerous times that Surratt leg whipped the Bill defender. He said it during every replay and numerous times in his closing remarks.
And while I got myself going on officiating, the Allen td pass could have been replayed from all 37 cameras that ESPN is so proud to tell people about their coverage. There was a picture on X that should the ball still in Allen’s hand as he is lifting his foot off of the line of scrimmage.
No GODDAM snack, too disgusted.
hello all -
David, you have described this perfectly - a roller coaster with such highs and potentially an especially hard-right-cross-to-the-jaw low.
Duane Brown was a revolving door last night, though Saleh was partially right in describing the injury play as having extended further. But Brown simply wasn't good enough - you couple that with seeing how Rodgers' foot seemed to get stuck in the turf, and you can't discount the field factor.
What to do, moving forward? Options are some combination of...
1 > Hackett starts using more 12 & 22 packages, with the left side TE chipping the pass rusher for an extra second of time for the QB to stay safe.
2 > Find some way to get Mitchell and Turner better at RT, especially against pass rush, and if Coach Carter can accomplish that, then...
3 > Ramp Tippmann up to either play at C, or RG if you're thinking of moving AVT back to RT - Saleh should certainly consider...
3 > ... Moving Becton back to LT.
4 > ... Or moving AVT to RT and moving Becton to LT, sitting Brown.
5 > Bring Tippmann along as the RG, keep Becton at LT, and move AVT to LT.
5 > Using available Cap space to sign an available LT. I know the pickings are slim, you're not going to get a quality starter, but I think you'll very likely get someone better at pass protection from the left than we have now with Brown. George Fant, anyone?
With the above moves, the line would then be:
> Becton-Tomlinson-McGovern-Tippmann-AVT... or
> AVT-Tomlinson-McGovern-Tippmann-Becton.
I know, guys, the above is a lot of nose-hair pulling, but it is what it is...
On the QB side of the issue, I really think JD is going to have to get a veteran QB. Not Ryan, not Flacco - they are sculptures as you rightly note; would be very interested in what my JetsWay Bruddahs think about Nick Foles, Jacoby Brissett, or even Carson Wentz.
Of the three, I like Brissett's attitude the best, but let's face it, none of these guys are as good passing the ball as Rodgers, but I think they are better passers than Wilson. The question is how fast any prospective vet QB can assimilate Hackett's offense - that's who I'd go with.
Another, grasping-at-straw, pulling-a-rabbit-out-my-ass thought...
Get Tom Brady.
Seriously, this is not me floating a crazy notion while still under the influence of that empty bottle of Tito's staring at me from the top of the garbage can. Brady mentioned something this season, when asked about Rodgers, that I practically fell out my chair upon reading it. In his assessment of how he thought Rodgers would do this year, he said that the Jets "are a pretty good team". The sun rose in the West for me when I read that.
If you never ask the question, the answer is always no... why not give it a shot, JD - ask the GOAT if he'd like to give it a shot?
Yes, alot of desperation in the above thoughts, maybe that Tito's is still exerting some kinda residual effect... but I strongly believe the Jets simply cannot squander the potential this defense has to carry us into the playoffs and beyond. But there is hope; think back to the 2000 season; Super Bowl 35 - the Ravens vs the Giants and the similarities to the 2023 Jets:
> Ravens had an outstanding defense - check.
> Ravens had an average QB (Dilfer) - check.
> Ravens had a top rusher (Jamal Lewis) - check.
K, guys, that's about it for now... lemme know what youze think.
CGVet58
CGV, I think you might have to the right idea. Tippman is one of our 5 best o-lineman. He needs to be in there. Figure out the best alignment but fix it quick. The Cowboys will be even tougher to block than the Bill’s who did have their best pass rusher.
That is a laundry list of changes. I'm not sure that all of that is necessary. The offensive line was average last night, but there were certainly positives to take with the negatives. I'm sure the front office is weighing all of the possible moves they could make, but I get the feeling that you'll see them give their own guys a chance to rally around the defense and running game. Introducing a number of new starters (and potentially a brand new quarterback) after the first game (a win, no less) is a little panicky for my liking. Let these fellas play football.
Outside of Brown, the line was decent, but that doesn't mean a thing. Brown looked like he was 50 and was repeatedly beaten by both Rousseau and Floyd. Maybe it's because of rust, but that point is moot right now. Becton had a pretty good night but was susceptible to the speed rush on a couple of plays. The interior played decently and most of the real pass rush pressure came from the outside. They still had issues in the run game. Hall did wonders with the little creases he got, as did Cook on occasion. Cook looked 2 steps slow on most of his runs where he could have gotten more than he did. If the same thing happens against Dallas, which has a lot better defense than Buffalo, they have to reshuffle the o-line with any of the combinations shown above, it's not a choice anymore if they really want to make a run at something positive. It's going to be some combination of Becton, AVT, McGovern, Tippman and Tomlinson, who looked better than last year. You cannot put Billy Turnstile out there to replace Brown. I'm sure you will disagree with it, but I think that's the only option out there. There is no longer time to let them gel.
The line played okay and you think it's a good idea to reconfigure the entire group? Duane Brown, for all of the talk of how terrible and old he is, graded out as their second best offensive lineman last night. He looked fine and played fine. Offensive linemen need time to continue to play with one another. Do that, and you'll get good results. Start shaking things up after one game and you can bet on more pressure issues.
well Daniel, I gotta tell ya,
not for nothin, but those grading systems grade every play and average out the grade. But what do your eyes tell you, especially when Brown (or any other OLineman) was really bad on a few plays?
I watched/rewound about 10 of those passing plays, to see how the tackles were doing. Brown looked slow, off-balance when he shifted his hips, most of the time. Becton was caught reacting on a couple of speed rushes, as Mike Z notes, but this is something that was also a relative weakness for him during his rookie year. He did better than Brown - and maybe this is a stretch, but I think Becton's play is likely on an upward trajectory, and will likely improve, if only because he's carrying 35 # less than his rookie playing weight of 380-385.
I sincerely hope the Jets have someone dedicated to Becton's diet management who can get Becton down from the 355-360 he's doing now, and get him to lose another 10 pounds. This will help him with his quickness and will not sacrifice his strength, because he is a beast - and a couple of times he just pancaked guys out there.
I think Becton-Tomlinson-McGovern-Tippmann-AVT can work well here. Get them alot of reps with Zach in practice, get JT up to snuff in coordinating with the other OLinemen. That's the quickest, Occam's Razor approach to stopping the LT bloodloss.
AND I'd still be shopping for FA OL who has stayed in shape and has a reliability record, plus has pass protection chops.
I hear you on the shaking things up part, but seriously I think Brown is too slow - and this is only going to be shown to be an even more glaring weakness as the games stack up. Other teams, especially the really good pass-rushing teams, are already planning to shred our OL. Tear off that Scab now, slap the neosporin on and start workin' the problem - that's what JD, Saleh and coaches have to do.
AND I'd still be shopping for another QB, just not Wentz as he's a cancer in the locker room.
The Jets are not going to cure their OL problem by next week, unless they replace Brown at LT. You think Rousseau was dangerous? He's nothing compared to the Dallas front four and Micah Parsons. And I want to see Wilson hopefully get better, not get planted into the A T & T stadium turf and get hurt.
I haven't scanned the wires since around 12 midday EST, so maybe, hopefully, I'll check and see that JD is makin' moves quickly.
I agree with your point that the Jets cannot go into the full-blown panic mode that fans are doing. They have to trust their guys. We all knew that with Brown's not practicing and Becton only being given a shot at starting late that the OL had no shot to gel. The OL and OL Coach Carter just have to work harder and smarter and get the OL fixed. Brown may have to take a seat eventually, but as long as he shows improvement over the next game or two, he should be given a while to get it together. If he doesn't show improvement, however, and looks as bad or worse, then Jets will have no choice other than to give Turner a shot or sign the former Eagles LT who is in his 40s.
Daniel, I love ya guy, but if you think Brown was fine last night, then I don't know what to tell you other than perhaps you should consider getting your eyes checked. If Brown graded out as the 2nd best OL then that shows what a farce the grading system is, and it loses all credibility imo and should just be scrapped.
hey Craig,
like I said in a post a few moments ago, the grading system averages out everything and does not take note of extreme plays, good or bad. Our eyes do, however and like you, I saw Brown as being slow, and that against grade B to B+ Bills pass rushers. In 5 days they face Micah Parsons, Dexter Lawrence who are better than Von Miller, as good as Nick Bosa. Rousseau is very good, but not as good as those two guys.
There are other things Hackett can do - run more TE's, keeping one off Brown's shoulder to help with the pass blocking. Carter can do this, too, though I like his pass blocking from the traditional RB spot - he sees the entire line and takes the first threat breach effectively. The trouble with facing a Cowboys defensive pass rush is that they send 5 guys alot more often than we do, and their front four is almost as good as ours in shredding/disrupting the pocket - which is when Micah Parsons and his 4.39 time blast in.
well, those are my opinions, we'll see what happens - time to scan the wire, see if JD has been working the phones or not.
If Brown stays at LT, despite whatever improvements he may make in these next four-five days, he's not going to improve his quickness - and I fear that leaving him in there against the Cowboys rush will be a disaster.
The offensive line wasn't amazing or even good. They were fine, though. Brown was okay. He graded out okay and was often in the right place at the right time and not getting beat. That's what you do as an offensive lineman. Those grades, combined with the few write-ups I've read (Barnwell did a solid and brief summary), mirrored what my eyes saw. I'm sorry buddy, but I trust my understanding of offensive line play, and Brown played a solid game.
OK is different than "fine" and/or "second best". I'll accept that he was OK overall, but not fine. "Fine" indicates that his play was good and didn't need improvement. I don't like or trust anything Barnwell says. We'll have to agree to disagree.
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
Brown actually played well. He graded out better than McGovern, Becton, and Tomlinson.
hey Daniel!
I see your point - consider my above as an initial brainstorm which never means it will be immediately implemented. All suggestions presume a period of intense practice and preparation to assimilate into the new. None more so than the OLine, I would think - but since no available FA QB has experience with Hackett's offense, I see Zach being the starter for the near future, only to change if - IF - a FA QB with the qualities I describe is brought in now, and proceeds to bone up on the playbook, the offense, and on gelling with the other offensive players.
So its not really introducing new players after the first game; but any such players, if brought in now, can become active/productive say from game 3, 4 and onward.
For now, the immediate threat is Dallas and their pass rush. Wilson is gonna start; that's a given, can't change anything in six days than would be better than him.
The OLine, however, is an entirely different story. Duane Brown cannot continue playing LT, I don't care what Saleh sez. Or if Saleh can work that motivator-magic that somehow transforms Brown into a quality pass protection LT, I really, really doubt he can do this in 6 days, really 4 if just counting practice.
What to do? We have other players that can slip into LT spot. Becton can. AVT can. both are trade-offs. If Becton slides over to the left, are the Jets going to put Mitchell or Turner in at RT? Don't think so. Better to slide AVT over to RT, and start giving Tippmann some seriously Mondo-Slade repititions at RG. What's the Trade-off? we lose blocking power for the run game over the right side, breaking up what started to look last night like a lethal runBlocking duo of AVT & Becton. Plus side of the trade-off? I think Becton will be a better passblocker on the left than Brown is, and we do now gain his run-blocking prowess on that side of the line. Unknown factor in Trade-off? Tippmann @ RG, he's only had a limited experience fm College, maybe fm training camp.
AND, ramp up training Mitchell or Turner to become more proficient at Pass Blocking...
AND, hunt for FA LT who has a resume of good pass blocking. George Fant comes to mind, but his cred is now three years old on that front.
In the meantime, while Zach is the starter, expect 7, 8 man boxes against the run. To that, I think Hackett can get legs out of running "12", "20" and "22" packages if he wants to show run or pass (and have the extra beef in Ruckert & Conklin to help with the Pass Block Chip then release to safety valve pass); "13" package if he's really gonna ground and pound, leaving one WR to keep that side honest.
I expect Hackett will be running alot of 3 and 5step WC pass packages, really drill into Wilson getting rid of the rock quick.
And, to paraphrase Bobber in an earlier post, Hackett must give Wilson a limited ability to change the play at the LOS. If he sees Garrett in one-on-one coverage, Wilson MUST be able to be allowed to audible into a pass package to exploit that, said pass package keeping an extra body back to help block, of course (kudos to Michael Carter for being this guy in last night's game).
In short, I guess you could say my approach is ...
(A) FIX OL with what we have now, shuffle pieces as needed to stop the bloodloss at LT...
(B) get some body(ies) now, school 'em up while working with we now have in Wilson, and...
(C) get a veteran QB with reliable short/mid range pass skills, good head on his shoulders, enough legs to get outta trouble, and start schooling HIM up into the Hackett offense.
All this takes time, during which the fellas will be playing some football... and i'm fairly confident that our defense - if ZW doesn't kill them with endless 3-&-outs - can keep us in every game.
CGVet58
Very well rounded comment! Love it.
I'm not onboard with bringing in new dudes, but if they find someone who makes sense, I'd love to see how it works out. I loved the Duvernay-Tardiff pickup last year, so it's possible to find a match.
Thanks for pointing out Michael Carter putting in work protecting the Q last night! He had an absolutely beautiful cut on one of Zach's completions! I loved the little things he was doing. There were even times last night where Zach looked like he was starting to feel confident. That needs to happen. Confidence is a big impediment for him.
Regarding Brown, he didn't stick out (sticking out in a bad way) to me. The Rodgers injury play is an easy one to bring up (I don't think you did that, which I appreciate), but I thought he looked lithe and limber most of the night. I'd, of course, enjoy seeing Mitchell or Tippman successfully working into the lineup, but I just don't see that happening after a single game where results were average.
I, honestly, would be fine with them promoting Boyle and signing somebody like Anthony Brown onto the practice squad.
Maybe not initially necessary but as the season goes on it might very well be what happens.
CGV, I think you might have to the right idea. Tippman is one of our 5 best o-lineman. He needs to be in there. Figure out the best alignment but fix it quick. The Cowboys will be even tougher to block than the Bill’s who did have their best pass rusher.
boy, you can say that again!
( insert hopeless grin here )
Douglas knowing full well that one injury to Rogers and it was back to Wilson made a gross miscalulation in not bringing in somehow like Teddy Bridgewater. Any other team would have gotten rid of Wilson after twice giving him a chance. Now he gets a third chance when nothing has changed ? If a superbowl bound 49er team can get rid of Lance - then Jets sure culd have gotten rid of Wilson. Sure being there was pure exceitment winning the game. But going with Wilon the rest of the way - looking at losing the locker room and a top 5 pick - just cant root for this team - its ridiculous, 54 years of pure misery !!!!!!!
Sounds familiar, Steve 🥹
No, the Jets couldn't have gotten rid of Wilson, nor should they have. Thankfully, our CS isn't as impatient and prone to knee-jerk reactions that some fans are. Even if the Jets had wanted to get rid of Wilson, they would have taken a huge dead money hit on the cap and that would have prevented their being able to trade for Rodgers.
Agreed! But I think maybe we should have brought in a Jacoby Brissett or Taylor Heinecke as they have proven to be capable fill ins. This was supposed to be a year or two of grooming Zach to be ready.
not a knee jerk reaction - and the dead money has to be a minial hes still on a rookie contract. He has had 2 chanes and failed them both - how does he get a third ? ASND Because the GM sticks with him The Jets stay out of the playoffs again and prob get a top 10 pick - how is that acceptable ?
I must have missed that. Did they already play the season?
good one - hahahah
I agree my over-reaction but for 54 years following this team i know it is over dont have to play another game
When Namath went down in 1970 and 71 - bck to back 4-10 seasons
and those were good jets teams with great defense
probably could list 20 more like that
...Vinny ....
😁
It's totally a knee-jerk reaction. Jets fan sites are a joke today all they crying, whining, moaning, complaining, and feeling sorry for themselves. If I wasn't disappointed I'd be laughing at everyone. It's like chicken little and the sky is falling for many Jets fans.
It is what it is. Sure, it's disappointing and our hopes were dashed, but for any long-term Jets fan, it's not like we haven't been though this many times before. I'm going to try my best to enjoy this season and have fun, as it probably is going to be my last following and rooting for the Jets. They just can't seem to get out of their own way. No matter who the GM, HC or owner is, they always find a way to screw it up every time they have any hope, and in almost 60 years of following this team, there have been precious few times to have any hope.
There were a lot of positives from last night's game. The team recovered from the gut-wrenching loss of Rodgers, didn't quit, fought hard and won. Clearly Quincy Williams has improved markedly. So has Whitehead. We have a lot of great young talent on this team. G. Wilson and Hall are going to become superstars. Hall's play last night was nothing short of amazing. Q, JJ, Huff, Jefferson, and Reed all were very good. Hopefully, whatever was affecting Sauce's play last night will be in the past and he'll return to form vs. Dallas.
hey Craig, & JetsWay Bruddahs!
Yes, we Jets fans can agree this is groundhog day tough shit for us, as we've been here before. BUT - we didn't bail on our guys then, and we Sure as SHIT, are NOT going to start Bailing on them now.
This is the only site i comment on, because I love the breadth of knowledge you guys have, the devotion to our team, and ya'll don't start pullin' hissy fits when the shit hits the fan. Ya pick urselves up, brush off the dust, bear down and move forward. My kinda guys. I think this starts from the Top, and David truly does a great job with this blog, not the least of which he brings up unique analyses (that the other crybaby blogs don't, they're too busy crying...)
OK, 'nuff a' dat - let's move on to some observations --
> HOPE - We've got plenty to be thankful for, and have serious bullets in our gun still. the Defense. the Special Teams. the Offense skill positions. all playoff capable.
> DEFENSE - these guys if they stay healthy, can take us far. Think 2000 Bucs with Trent Dilfer at QB. We have a similar makeup - incredible defense, great running game... so we are just one competent, avg to avg+ game manager at QB - more on that below.
> DEFENSE WEAKNESS that other teams will try to exploit - Our guys are great, but they are not superhuman. Keep them on the field long enough, wear them out by forcing our offense to do multiple 3-&-Outs (like happened in 2022), and our guys become beatable. And opposing DC's will attempt to do just that; they did it last year against the 2022 QB room; and they'll keep doing it until Zach and our offense shows them they can't.
> OFFENSE - which brings us to Zach. He showed some improvement last night - i thought for a brief second, in the 3rd quarter when he missed a pass to Garrett Wilson. The camera first shot to Garrett and he was clearly frustrated, then it shot to Zach's face and he almost - Almost - started getting that Deer-in-Headlights look he had most of last year. But then, something great happened - on the sideline, his teammates came up to him with encouragement. Garrett provided great encouragement to him - I could see in Zach's body language that he was taking it to heart, that the encouragement was authentic. The TEAM came together in this moment of adversity - quite the 180 from last year when they were lost souls.
I think Zach needs that; needs to know that the stars on this Offense can and will place their trust in him, and I saw a little bit of that last night, not little as in barely there, but briefly as in, "we've been pulling together as a team this whole preseason, and we are a TEAM FIRST". That it was a brief Tell, means that it wasn't an affectation, this was genuine -- and has been a genuine development since training camp --- and I have to give thanks to Aaron Rodgers because he is the catalyst that has brought this wondrous development to fruition.
I think there's a chance - couldn't rate how much of one - that Zach responds favorably to this and can grow into that avg+ game manager that doesn't get psychologically blown out, cuts his mistakes down, forgets his mistakes the very next play. He can do all these things; he can get back up from falling down - because he's gotta know that the TEAM is behind him, supporting him.
Can he lose that edge? Of course! He did so last year. But he's a year older, a year wiser - and despite his failings, he has been taken under the wing of the QB he idolized during his youth, and who has given him 100% of himself to get him better. So AGAIN, I give thanks to #8 for bringing this wondrous development and transfusing it into the Jets team. Which can work wonders for this team, lead Zach to not succumb to revolving 3 and Outs, which then means our Defense is more rested and more likely to devour opposing QB's. Lots of things to be thankful here, Craig, lots of opportunities to get past the loss of #8.
> OFFENSIVE LINE - Occam's Razor - what can the Jets do in the quickest amount of team to get the LT pass blocking fixed? I've posted here before, a quick summary - hopefully our OLine looks like this next week:
< Becton - Tomlinson - McGovern - Tippmann - AVT >
(... Tippmann @ center and McGovern at RG can work too here ...)
Notice that Duane Brown isn't in the starting lineup.
So yeah, Craig - we've got a ton to be thankful for, we still have a fighting spirit, and I believe we can see great things from our team moving forward.
Never Quit. Never Give In. Only one word suffices for us to use as a Mantra:
Indomitable. Be Indomitable.
Let's go get 'em.
for the most part i agree with you - but if you calling me a joke a whiner and a moaner and im felling sorry formesf that gets personal and i dont appreciate that. Who the hell feels sorry for themsleves after a Jets loss ? I didnt make it personal to you at all - i just disagreed. So screw that and your trash talking comments (thats too perosnal)!!!! After that i agree with you and for 54 years i've had it too. I'll try and get into to but will be hard to as the losses mount. I for one will not renew my season. tickets if this turns out to be a disaster and thats 40 years of season tickets over 3 stadiums. Sure with the team they have and they way the players kept the crowd into it you would like to think they still could win 10 - i just dont see it - at least today anyway.
I do think your comment about getting rid of Wilson was a knee jerk reaction and not dealing with reality. The dead money hit would have been just under $21 million.
I wasn't calling you a joke or a whiner, however. I'm sorry, if the way I stated things made you think I was. I was referring to the overall negative tone today on all Jets fan sites. While it's not unexpected, it still gets old, especially when posters continue to make what I think are dumb comments regarding Zach. I'm a positive, optimistic person by nature, and all the negativity just gets overwhelming. I've seen enough of the comments regarding Zach. You don't give up on a young QB with the arm talent that he has. The Jets totally screwed up his development, and he actually regressed.
In my career, my work involves teaching and training people. Everyone doesn't learn in the same way or in the same time. Some very talented people take a long time for the light to go on. Most Jets fans don't have a clue what it takes for players to learn and develop, they are too impatient and too quick to make judgments about players, and their expectations are unrealistic. I understand that's because of all the years of losing and inept play, but it's still wrong. Jets fans should root for every player on the team and hope that they develop, not trash them at every opportunity. It's funny to me. Fans act like jilted lovers when they do that. I used to be that way, and still have to fight the impulse to be that way.
Of course this is a blow to the Jets and to its fanbase. I have my doubts about the rest of the season as well, and I may be even more pessimistic than you. At this point, I think they'll probably be lucky to win 7 games, and that will take Zach playing a lot better than he has the last 2 seasons, and Hackett pulling his head out of his ass, and quit being so predictable in his play calling. He's supposedly creative as a teacher, well he needs to be creative in his play calling too.
I think the team will continue to play hard and not quit. Saleh's going to get a lot more of the type of comments he hates hearing like about "how hard the Jets played." I'm just going to focus on rooting for the team, and the individual players I really like and hope for the best. At least the team should be somewhat competitive and not get blown out.
I knew you were a good guy Craig - no sorry needed. XOXOXOXO. Im going to try and get behind the team and Wilson. The old day it took 5 years to get a QB ready before he started. Now it seems it has to instant. I agree too tat The Jets starting him right out of college was not right. Cant handcuff him like you say - let him go and see what happnes
I feel I've seen some god's hand at work last night, punishing me for hope.
I'll be saying similar to this on GGN later, but I think there are reasons to be positive about ZW. All of us have a tendency to judge him on the basis of the last two years - and that is PROBABLY right, but not CERTAINLY right.
Last night, if you had come down from Mars having missed his NFL career to date, you'd have said he looked like a very serviceable backup. He completed 60% of his passes. He made some good tight window throws. Notably, he seemed to feel pressure and escape it. Notably too, he made two of his good throws from the pocket, between the hashes - both things that were big weaknesses before.
He did this against a VERY good Bills defense, in a game where he wasn't supposed to start, and hadn't been practicing with the 1s all week.
He's obviously getting the start in Dallas, and will have had a full week of practice. I wouldn't be rushing into a panic move this week - Wentz et al will still be there if we need them come week 3. But there's a reason these guys are free agents.
I respect your position but his interception was his classic locked on one receiver, triple coverage pick.
Yeah that one was brutal, but it was one. You're going to get those exact plays with Jameis or Wentz as well, though, which is precisely why they're free agents.
hey Bobber, McG -
what about B rissett? or trading for a Tyrod Taylor? Think they could fit better? How about Foles?
CG, what do you think those teams are going to ask the Jets to give up for Brissett or Taylor? I'm not willing to sacrifice the future for this season. I'd be surprised if their teams were willing to trade either of them. Foles is not the answer imo, but of the FA QBs who are out there, he is the ONLY one I'd consider. Carson Wentz is awful, and he is not liked anywhere he goes. He definitely would not be a fit with the Jets.
yeah, I just saw - Brissett is a Redskin.
What about Garden Minshew? Oops, nope. Just saw, he's a Colt.
Shit, man. Pickens are slim, and I ain't tawkin' boud the cowboy ridin' the nuke from Dr. Strangelove, either.
I don't know about Tyrod Taylor - for one he's a Giant, and dem boys juss don't like us (and I say, fuggemback, too!) but a trade is a trade. if not draft capital, what do the giants need? OL, we've got none. Another receiver, nope. Only thing I see is DL secondary, and we're not gonna change anything on the defense.
Tyrods no better than Zach!👎
Bobber, a lot of veteran QBs still make that mistake. Rodgers did it in the last preseason game or maybe it was one of the joint practices. The only difference is that the defender dropped the ball that time, I believe. Favre did it his whole career.
I'm fed up with the Zach bashing. Every Jets site, it's the same thing, there's a group of posters who continually bash him no matter what, they do it out of context in threads discussing something totally different. I'm at the point that I'm ready to totally stop reading or posting on any Jets fan site. It's disgusting and sickening, and it's making me hate other Jets fans. I appreciate your keeping your comments short today, but I implore you to give it a rest. Some of us want to enjoy the season and be positive, and the constant negativity about Zach and JD ruins these sites.
Craig, unfortunately us being positive has no bearing on the game’s outcomes. Again, this a newsletter where members come to exchange opinions and ideas. You can’t orchestrate the narrative here or in any group. This is a football blog not Mr. Rogers Neighborhood!
"this is a football blog, not mr. Rodgers neighborhood"
- or Bobber's Bag of Bashful Bloggers from Brooklyn -- << haha snark-in-a-stupid-darwin-award-candidate kinda way... yeah, I can do that shitshow but goo-o-o-od!! >>
(sorry Bobber, i've been hittin that Tito's again, still not over what happened last night or the rollercoaster ride...)
Behave yourself young man!😡😂🤣
I never said that our opinions have a bearing on the game's outcomes. That's silly! I know that no one can orchestrate the narrative on a website except the owner or moderator. I don't appreciate your comment about Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, but please by all means continue to be an asshole.
OK, again, name calling? Are we in kindergarten? Grow up! Your obviously new to group dynamics’s! The comment section of this newsletter is a blog. It’s an open forum for discussions. More often than not discussions will involve disagreements. That’s fine. That’s why most of us come here. If we all agreed on everything this would be no fun at all. So why you insist on “correcting everyone who differs from your opinion is a mystery to me. Maybe try agreeing to disagree? Peace out pro! Have a blessed day!
I wasn't trying to correct anyone! I was just stating my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad. If you don't like being called a name, then don't act/respond in a manner that is like that name. You obviously think that you can do no wrong and that everything you say is OK. It isn't. I've never said that we all should agree on everything, nor do I expect that. Quit gaslighting and deflecting, grow up yourself, get over yourself, and quit acting a cocky know-it-all asshole. I do expect others to be respectful and not continuously bash a Jets player when they know that doing so offends others. We're all well aware of your feelings/opinion of Zach. You don't need to mention it every few days. You don't know everything, although you obviously think you do. I think it best that we just don't respond to each other in the future. I don't like you or your attitude.
hey John!
Man, I don't know about Wentz. Though I don't put holy writ stock into anything most sports writers put out, I've seen 3 or different sources show no enthusiasm for Carson. One site actually wrote that Wentz "... got himself pushed out of three teams ..." . Whatever that may seem to imply, to me it sounds like locker-room poison. We simply cannot have any kind of negativity at all amongst the players.
Sorry John, no sale! Other than the interception he didn’t screw it up! That’s a very low bar. He looked exactly the same to me. Indecisive! And that’s been his problem since he came here. He’s not at BYU throwing in to big windows to wide open receivers behind a solid o-line. He will be exposed against a Dallas pass rush that made Danny Dimes look like Zach Wilson 2021-22! We can’t win with Zach! The only good to come from this is we get to keep our first round pick. This draft is loaded at OT, QB, S and possibly WR. We can sign a free agent go get us through this season. It can’t be Tim Boyle who they will bring in for a week or two to back up Zach because he knows the offense but if they truly feel they can still compete we need a better option.
I agree Ron, Wilson is pretty much done. The Jets won't pick up his 5th year option, unless he magically turns into the Joe Namath who never had knee problems and got into the HOF specifically because of his play. I just don't see him improving to the point that he can be a viable option for making it to the playoffs.
OMG. it’s the fans that are SOF (Same Old Fans). A couple of questions for all of the nay sayers going into panic mode.
1. Do you think Hackett had a game plan designed around Zack?
2. what QB would have played well with the way our O line played.
3. Did the Jets Win or Lose.
I was crushed when Aaron went down. But look at what was going on with him under center. Three drop backs and three extreme pressures. Zero completion’s.
Now I will defend the o line a little. They have had very little work together at were at best very rusty. But look at the Bills o line not a much better result. Look at a lot of teams that played Sunday lots of struggles by o lines. Defenses have an advantage at the start of the season especially when starters are mostly held out of preseason.
Do I think Zack is Aaron hell no but with all the talent on the Jets team I think if the o line can provide protection we are still a playoff team.
I also hope Aaron still spends time with the team, he can still have an impact in not letting the team buy into all the doom and gloom SOF have.
I think he will return to the team when his health allows. Probably won’t be for at least a month when he starts his rehab at the team’s facility. As for Zach, we shall see. Hackett’s gotta let the kid play. Bibber mentioned the late game situation where we ran into a 9/to 10 man box with GW in single coverage against an inexperienced corner. Either Zach can play or he can’t. Better to find out sooner than later so we can try to make a move by the deadline. I’m not trading a first for a Matt Stafford who comes with more health concerns that our 49 year old QB.
Douglas/Saleh both screwed up royally. How can u not have an experienced B/U QB Behind Rodgers knowing 1 play away puts in the B/U! And unfortunately it happened, & now they’re back to 6 months ago with Wilson as the starting QB? WHAT! Nothing has changed. What will definitely change is that both Douglas & Saleh will be fired after this season! Count on it!
I can understand your frustration but those guys are so in Woody Johnsons hero world they are going nowhere!
Agreed on that. Been saying that since the early offseason. ZW should have been bubble wrapped into the BQ3 role with someone like Jacoby Brissett as the backup. And let’s not even get into the OT position where for 2 consecutive years we go into the season with both presumed starters coming off season ending surgeries! I can understand that leap of faith once but after how it went down in 2022 there is no way that happens again this season. The very definition of insanity.
Interesting...I just saw the following on another Jets fan site. I wonder if it was Hackett or Carter who wanted the cutblocks?
From Zach Rosenblatt Twitter:
Aaron Rodgers had expressed to #Jets coaches that he doesn't like the play-calls involving the cut-blocks because he can't extend the play and it forces him to get rid of the ball quickly, sources tell me and
@DMRussini
. It failed twice on his four drop-backs — one resulted in a throwaway, on the other he got injured when Duane Brown's cut failed to stop Leonard Floyd.
That’s a tough call. Every offense uses hands down blocking in the short passing game. The defenders see the QB raise up to throw and with no time to rush the QB it’s the only thing they can do. I can understand Rodgers thinking but even he’s not gonna win that argument very often. I don’t see how Carter would have much if any say on that decision. That’s the OC’s call. Hackett must have felt that that was the best technique to employ on those plays!
Everyone has propounded their thoughts quite elegantly, but I like to keep it simple. Duane Brown has had a hell of a career, but I think he has hit the end of the line. Irrespective of play calls or audibles he was taken to school by Rousseau and Floyd. My personal feeling was that he shouldn't have played hurt all of last year. It more than likely made the damage more severe and that would lead to a more complex fix and a longer healing and rehab time. It's no sure bet, but he probably would have looked a lot better last night. The rest of the o-line wasn't horrible and had some issues opening up good running lanes. Breece Hall made magic happen with his personal ability alone. Dalvin Cook looked good about every other play but didn't have the extra gear to pull away from defenders who caught him. No AR meant that the entire passing game developed during TC and preseason is gone, period. Any talk of an all-in season now is superfluous because without AR it's not going to happen, as neither Wilson, Foles, Brissett or Wentz is going to be able to do it. Maybe if we had a Justin Herbert or a Joe Burrow I could see it happening but that's a pipe dream. Forget about making some crazy trade for Stafford or someone like him, it's not going to get the job done and that's a fact. If the o-line can't protect a quarterback properly it doesn't matter whom you bring in. Sometimes you just have to accept reality and move on. The defense basically won the game for the Jets, no disrespect to Xavier Gipson, he made an amazing and veteran-like punt return for the winning score. But the defense won the game and made Allen look confused as hell and as the game went on he got stubborn and continued to NOT use his head and gave it up four times. Q1 and Q2 both had outstanding games and Jamien Sherwood looked pretty serviceable and will get better with playing time. All three corners played fantastic and the safeties weren't too bad, though Ashtyn Smith came in a looked to have misread a play and could have been right in the lane for a PBU or maybe even a pick. Whitehead had a great game, but Amos didn't cover himself in glory. Special teams were outstanding. The only positive thing about last night is that the Jets get to keep their 1st round pick in 2024. And I hope there are some good QB prospects for next year's draft because they are going to have to get one, as there is no guarantee that AR can or will want to come back after the Achilles tear. I will continue to hope for a miracle because that's what it's going to take.
I don't want to be a broken record, but Brown actually was their second best offensive lineman last night and graded out quite well. He played better than is being talked about on this particular thread.
Agreed! Everyone looked at the obvious for someone to blame. Again, I haven’t seen the full 22 but it looked to be that Brown and Becton on an earlier play we’re looking to get the defenders hands down so Rodgers could throw a quick hitter. Things are not always what they appear initially....
I have to disagree with you about all three CBs playing well. I don't know what game Ron and you were watching, but Sauce looked awful. He looked slow, he was beaten badly on every throw where the camera isolated on him, and his attempts at tackling were weak and pathetic. He truly looked like a JAG out there last night just going through the motions. Reed was staying with Diggs most of the time. Sauce wasn't staying with Diggs or anyone else that came to his side of the field.
Mr.Silence fledglings, Mr. Disagreeable speaks! 😂🤣
Mornin' ya'll,
Watching that game last night was surreal. I'll be the first to admit that Rodgers wasn't my first choice when it came to quarterback options. I was more on the Jacoby Brissett train from the get-go, but I wanted to give Rodgers a chance to convert me. I was resigned to rooting for the dude by proxy (since he was the starting Q for my favorite team) while still disliking him. Seeing him go down last night was a shitty feeling because it's appalling to see a guy get his hard work washed away (while in the back of my mind, I'm thinking to myself "Now I don't have to root for him"). That certainly is a bad taste to have in your mouth. That's why it was so nice to see the rest of the team rally around the next guy up and pull out a gutty win. So....that's enough of my own personal foibles in dealing with how I felt about Rodgers going down.
Let's move on to the rest of the year, though. I've rooted for crappy teams before. This isn't one of those. They'll be competitive with a transcendent defense and loads of skill position talent on offense. Zach Wilson makes for a major rollercoaster ride, of course, but I'll buy in. Lets see how the team performs. He seems like a good kid and actually looked like he was playing some ball last night. I noticed him getting lathered up a bit late in the game. That isn't to say that his game was pretty. It was replete with mistakes, boneheaded decisions, shitty footwork, and telegraphed reads. He did, however, have some moments where he started to play football instead of thinking about what the right decision. I'd rather he have more of those good moments, of course, but seeing that shine through, for however small an amount of time, was encouraging to see (especially in a win).
Regarding the calls for spending a bunch of assets to bring in yet another stopgap quarterback feels counterproductive. Expecting another quarterback who doesn't know Hackett's system to come in off of the street (or from another team, I suppose....I don't see that happening because I think the front office will be averse to pouring even more money and assets into a black hole) and learn the offense from scratch is wishful thinking. It's also a little fanciful to expect the coaching staff to reconfigure the entire offensive line because fans on message boards and talking heads who get paid to have takes are clamoring for changes based on an incomplete picture. The offensive line had some bad moments, but it also had some good moments. Additionally, those bad moments are correctable. Offensive line is one of the main positions where the whole truly is greater than the sum of its parts. The more time these guys have together to learn one another's eccentricities, the more cohesive they'll become as a unit, and the more success they'll have. The offensive line isn't, necessarily, broken. It is developing. There isn't a necessity to try and fix it (especially with the idea of bringing in anybody off of the street).
In summation....let's take a moment to enjoy the win, take an additional moment to give a thought to Aaron Rodgers and what shitty luck he had (luck is the main thing behind those Achilles injuries), briefly consider the alternate reality where Rodgers didn't get hurt and the Jets may have played better or worse (there's no knowing), and gear up to root our asses off for this team with all of its flaws and blemishes.
DM
hey guys -
Conner Hughes has a good writeup on the postgame and "what now?" -
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1701601117346681029
hey all -
a link to where you can download fullgames. I've got yesterday's game now for ever.
https://nfl-video.com/archive/nfl_teams/new_york_jets_video/38
How did you do it ? I took a look at the link and wasn't sure what I had to do.
click the link that sez #2 - watch (located below the miniscreen showing Buf@NYJ with the helmets superimposed on the screen).
you'll be taken to another window - wolfstream.tv - with a countdown for 123 movies player.
let the countdown finish, then the vid will play at 1280x720 resolution (some games 1920x1280, but not all).
Now, for me at this point, I use an extension named Video DownloadHelper. I click the above vid, then I check the Video DownloadHelper link (which I've placed up on the toolbar).
When there's no video active in the browser window, the downloadHelper icon is greyed out. You'll see it in tri-color indicating you'll then be able to download the vid.
clicking the DownloadHelper link you'll see a popup window with info on the vid you want to d/load. click either one (for this video, they're both the same quality).
Now you'll go back to the orig screen where the game is playing. The DownloadHelper will now have a number super-imposed on the icon, indicating you have 1 video downloading.
If you click the downloadHelper icon again. This time, the popup window will have a blue circle and the number "1" in white. if you click that number, you'll see another popup, which will read that it's downloading the video, and also gives you a progress bar, percentage completion and time-so-far.
I know, it's some details above, but i'm an old school tweener; as a boomer I should be grumbling about where my cup holder on the old PC tower is. But really, the above just explains each step and what you'll see. You go through it once, and you'll be an old hat instantly with this.
PS: and Mike, the video downloadhelper extension works for Chrome, Firefox, Waterfox, Opera - I use all these browsers. you'll just have to search for it and be specific in what browser you want the download helper for:
" waterfox video downloadhelper extension ", for example.
Google will show the match for what you're looking for.
Let me know it goes, bruh... and if you wanna email me, i'm at Jets9658@gmail.com
CGVet58
hey, and double PostScript - remember the downloadHelper is going to save the video by it's default browser name - wolfstream.tv/embed- yada yada yada. Good to know when you search for the finished product on your pc (you can change the name afterwards to something like "JETS crash down on Bills - GIPSON THE HERO " or something like that :-)
Thanks a lot !!!!!
:-) !
hey JetsWay Bruddahs !
sidenote - check out this vid of Josh Allen post game - he looks like he was kicked in both his 'nards, then was told by the doc he's only getting one back because they're keeping the other for medical study.
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2023/9/12/23869462/buffalo-bills-qb-josh-allen-takes-blame-formnf-loss-after-four-turnovers
he actually sez at one point, "same shit, different day" --- Holy Cannoli but that is one serious mind-fuck right there. he reminded me actually of Zach Wilson, V.2022 - just a little better because he takes responsibility like a leader should.
And the disgusting part of the video - just listen to the media sharks.
They have no soul. One guy sez to Josh, "... I know it's fresh, Josh... this is something we've talked about... you had made it a point to say you were going to try and make a concerted effort to limit the turnovers this year... "
Man, oh, man - what a scumbag. this two-bit typewriter hack who probably drinks gut-rot whiskey on his good days, is throwing back words in a condescending manner to a pro QB who by the way, Josh Allen is an incredibly Excellent Class Act, Humble and Team-first as can be, and this scumbag... this scumbag...
I swear if I were there, I'd grab the mook by the scruff of his neck, give him a good shaking or three, stare him down so cold he' pee his trousers right then and there. And that's me as a Jets fan, very happy for the win, but as a Football Fan First. Respect always for the guy across from you because he's giving you 100% of his effort just like you are to him. You'd think the snowflakes hacks would know this, and carry over the respect into the interview.
It's a good thing that most players exercise good sportsmanship, especially after a tough loss like this - because if there were any enraged passions and acrimony when coming off the field and into the interview room, I think we'd definitely see more scumbag hacks getting their face punched in.
sidenote #2 - next week, we face the Cowboys. Was their pass rush that good against our crosstown neighbors? Or was it a combination of very good pass rush vs below average O-Line coupled with bad OC playcalls on the latter's part? Saleh, Carter better figure this out yesterday!
CGVet58
PS: Guys, after all the stupidity from Shithard Ward over in the NYG, and after reading shit posts from NYG fans on other blogs, I'm no longer pulling for the other New York Team. Remember, I'm old school NY, and have expressed my admiration for the older Parcells and Coughlin coached Blue - but now, even though I really like Brian Daboll as a coach, I plain don't give a hoot what dem boys do on the field, and smile when they get their comeuppance. That thrashing they received on Sunday Night - more critically, the way they just seemed to QUIT midway through the game - Schadenfreude, my Bruddahs, Schadenfreude. Not hoping for their demise, but certainly enjoying their face-plants - they had it coming.
David, when you watch the whole 22 I think you will see that on two or Aaron Rodgers passing attempts there was quick pressure that was not necessarily a result of poor protection. On the first one it looked like Becton got beat badly. But he was actually attempting to keep the defenders hands down as the play called for a 3 step drop and a quick throw. Ditto the next play where Brown employed the same technique. “ Hands down blocking is a staple of every NFL offense. The problem is when the ball doesn’t come out on schedule things can get ugly quickly. Now, obviously that wasn’t the case all day so yes, the protection needs to be a hell of a lot better or it’s gonna be another long season with Zach and his happy feet looking like Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk. 😂
You're very right, buddy. I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out what was going on on that Aaron Rodgers injury play. Duane Brown was the only guy on the offensive line who was trying to cut his man down, which says to me that it wasn't, necessarily, the kind of quick game where everybody is cutting to get hands down. It's possible that he was trying to quick-set the guy. If that was the case, Brown got Wally-Pipped by the defensive end. I'm not sure what was going on there. Otherwise, the offensive line looked below average early on in the game and started to show flashes late. Too many mistakes, of course, but I liked enough of it to have optimism with a game plan that isn't marred by an injury to the starting Q on the first series. I liked how Hackett leaned into 12, 13, 21, and 22 personnel late in the game. More of that, please!
I was thinking a slant to his side! The other guys don’t need to cut as the bass wasn’t going there way. My guess is AR did like what he saw and wanted to go to his next option? Just guessing at this point as I don’t have the “ whole 22” yet.
I tried to figure it out and couldn't. My guess was that Brown was trying to quickset whoever that defensive end was based on whatever their scouting report said about the guy. I know that that was a nice little hack in the chess match that is offensive line play. Again, we can't really know without that All-22 film and the actual play call. I know Rodgers is calling audibles all of the time, so maybe there was a miscommunication on one of those. Maybe Rodgers changed the protection and Brown didn't get the memo? Who knows.
It’s far too easy to be a Monday morning QB, or in this case a Tuesday one. The loss of Rodgers highlights a fear we all had. To wit, the inability of the offensive line to protect the QB. An aging LT without looked well past his prime....well I don’t want to get into a rant. JD did try to get Brown but I wonder if he could have done more. Relying that both OTs coming off injury to protect Rodgers was a risky proposition and the Jets paid the price.
I pray that he didn’t rupture his Achilles but fear the Jets tradition of snake biting was again validated tonight. Kudos to the team that played its ass off to pull out the victory. Our defense is outstanding. I can only dream about what Rodgers could have achieved if he wasn’t injured. Hopefully he will want to attempt a comeback but this could be career ending.
I again can not see how all of a sudden that the Jets are spinning it off that Zach Wilson is now they’re QB again! I mean really? Then why did the Jets go all out on getting Rodgers to begin with? Who is Saleh & Douglas kidding! And seriously maybe the Jets are cursed? Really a terrible situation on what happened with Rodgers. Such a travesty. BTW - I’m not also expecting Becton & Brown back at OT’s next year!