On September 11, 2023 at approximately 8:40, for all intent and reasons the Jet season was unofficially over. They are playing out the string due to the malfeasance of the front office and coaching staff.
Aside from a miraculous comeback, No not miraculous, aside from a comeback added tremendously by Bills quarterback Josh Allen playing hot potato turning the ball over 4 times, the season has turned into the most depressing season in Jet history.
It is understandable that in this era of salary cap bingo, there is only so much a team can do based on the contracts of the players on the roster, but how could the Jets bring in a 40 year old quarterback and not also bring in a capable backup.
If Zach Wilson was any good or even if he had shown some progress, the Jets would not had been forced to acquire Rodgers.
So after deciding that Zach was not the answer,
so after acquiring Rodgers for a switch in first rounders, 2- second rounders, a 5 and Elijah Moore,
to guarantee that Rodgers would come, they bring in his best friend who happens to be a mediocre Offensive Coordinator ( and to think Saleh didn’t learn his lesson in hiring friends to be coordinators)
Saleh now says that Zach is the man.
Coach he is not the man. In the NFL, quarterbacks have to process the field in as few the seconds as possible. Zach processes as fast as an hour glass.
Please, bring in a veteran. Push your pride aside, you guys blew the Zach pick, if you don’t when Zach leaves the building at the end of the season for hopefully the last time, you might be stuck walking out with him.
One last thought, the great Jet scouting team wasted the second pick of a draft to take Wilson. Wilson is in his third year.
The Texans took C. J. Stroud with the second pick.
Three teams. The last three years. Nobody wanted him this year. I know Matt Ryan is a statue in the pocket but at least he can read defenses and process the field. At this point, it’s about saving face, doubtful either one can save the season unfortunately. But ZACH HAS TO GO THAT IS THE DEFINITE
I would rather Ryan over Wentz. Many reasons. If the Jets through all the Rodgers negotiations would have said what happens if he gets hurt for a game or two, who’s the backup. They should have gone after Minshew. No intelligent organization with Super Bowl aspirations would ever have kept Wilson as its backup but then again they are the Jets. The whole situation is a disgrace. Now they are stuck with Hackett because I’m sure they don’t want to offend. Hackett makes LeFleur look like an offensive genius
I agree Bobber. Matt Ryan will at least move the chains by completing some of those timing throws and identifying his hot reads and check downs. He's an absolute statue but he can read a defence. I just can't watch Zach Wilson play football again
Matt Ryan could, potentially, do that. Why not, however, try to run this offense by playing to Zach Wilson's strengths, though? Where were the times where he played his best? I'd argue those times when he looked almost good were when he was running up-tempo and being asked to run quick game, getting into the swing of things. He has talent, but when he's placed into the situation where he has to do stuff he isn't good at yet, he is probably going to fail. If you ask Zach Wilson to play a game that Matt Ryan would be good at, it makes me wonder. They're vastly different players who have vastly different strengths. Honestly, the same can be said for Zach Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. When Rodgers was at his best, he was running the kind of offense that Zach Wilson has exceled at most this season (granted, it's a tiny sample size). Rodgers, however, is a veteran who can play multiple styles, one of them being the kind Hackett seems to be employing. It certainly looks like they're trying to protect Wilson or make sure he doesn't have to do much, but it also looks like that, by doing that, they're putting Wilson in the position of having to play a kind of football he doesn't, and has never, played well. Spread things out and allow him to actually throw the ball. You're more likely to stumble into progress by forcing him to run an up-tempo offense than doing this same thing every week (running a hyper-conservative game plan and then abandoning it when the offensive line doesn't open up gaping holes and Zach doesn't do well standing in the pocket and processing).
That's the guy I wanted. No GM or Coach wants to admit that they blew the 2nd pick in the draft. This way they bought some time, hoping Rodgers cud be around for at least 2 years and his acumen might somehow rub of on Wilson.
Wilson is beyond fixing. His issue isn’t talent. It’s processing the defense, his receivers. It’s a mental thing. I’m not saying he is stupid but the one thing that he leads the NFL in all his career is how long he holds the ball. If Sam Darnold saw ghosts, Wilson sees nothing. He could zoom with Rodgers from now until Rodgers is inducted in the hall of fame, he just can’t process what is in front of him
Maybe JD has enough Jack with Wentz to tell him, come and play but don't be a dick in the locker room, cause i'll toss your ass right then and there even if it costs ME my job.
nah, that's not gonna work, so screw it, no Wentz.
This was as putrid a performance as I can remember, and I have seen plenty of them over the past five decades as a Jets fan.
The coaches are afraid of letting their QB throw - with good reason - but that just confirms that he shouldn't be playing QB for the team.
The Defence is nowhere near the '85 Bears standard they have set for themselves, that's just laughable.
The Oline is bad, but gets a slight pass this week as it was a new alignment.
The coaching is terrible. Zach gives us the best chance to win? Ruckert has earned more playing time, but gets just 1 snap? Hardman is a speed threat who can loosen up the D, but can't get on the field over Cobb who can't run any more?
My internet actually went down yesterday evening, so I missed a fair bit of the game. Normally, I'd be enraged to be missing the game. Last night, I was glad.
The Jets are pitiful, but they don't deserve our pity. It's pathetic.
"... nowhere near the '85 Bears ..." - yes, no kidding. and it's not the fault of the players, either. I blame the coaches Saleh and Brich for sticking to this "keep the ball in front of you, avoid the big play behind" pass defense while expecting that everyone in the league will accommodate our pass rush by having their QB take seven step dropbacks and give our front four the 3-4 seconds they need to get there.
Well Brich, I got news for you. Dallas didn't do it. NE didn't do it. Both those guys were running on 3step (Dak almost exclusively, Mac Jones sometimes) and/or 5step drops, so the ball was out of their hands before our guys got to them.
And Brich, here's another news flash. Their receivers didn't all go and try to get past your back seven. The #1 reads for Dallas & NE were almost all catching balls in FRONT of our guys. So yeah, Brich, your defense sure as shit did keep the ball in front of youze, didn't they?
And Coach Saleh, the same above goes DOUBLE for you.
Ruckert?? One Snap!? ONE FUCKING SNAP???!!!! Way to show the league how you want to "... Fuck You (them...) Up ..." What a bonehead thing to do... and keep on doing, despite your smooth, wordy press conferences where you indicate otherwise.
No Hardman? Check the bonehead category.
Keeping Cobb on the field? Check the bonehead category. Again.
Finally, as a Defensive Specialist - when are you going to kick Brich in the Ass, tell him to start packaging 5 man rushes, TOGETHER AT SAME TIME along with press coverage provided courtesy of Reed, Carter, Gardner & Echols with Whitehead/Adams/Amos ... hell, even with DAVIS when he gets reps - coming in and supporting the press by providing top coverage over the opponents best receiving threat. You should really think about this for next week, because if you think that Andy Reid is going to accommodate you by saying, "... Let's Play JETS football, send Patrick on 7step drops, and send our receivers TEN yards downfield where they're running routes into the thick of their back seven ..." - then you are certifiably mental.
Nope. Not gonna happen, and i'll bet Hunter Biden's left nut that Reid will see what McCarthy schemed up (and Brich's clear lack of adaptation), what Belicheck doubled down on (and Brich's lack of... aw fuck it, you know what i'm gonna say...), and Reid will do the same thing as these two guys. And Beat the defense, beat the Jets.
There's this scrub named Kelce who will DESTROY the back seven with Mahomes tossing him the rock if you let Brich play same old, same old, and not do something different because, "... it's just not what we do ..." So yeah, just go ahead, Coach, and wait for Kelce & crew to NOT catch balls in front of the back seven. Brich, keep on doing what you do and see if something different happens.
Definition of Insanity. Doing the same thing, over and over, while expecting a different result.
I totally get the frustration behind the defense not getting to the quarterback. It is understandable to be kinda pissed to see the defense not dominate. What you're asking them to do, however, is change their entire defensive system. The things you're suggesting are tantamount to installing a brand new defense. That, simply, isn't possible to do. You might as well ask them to sack Saleh and Ulbrich and bring in a new head coach and defensive coordinator who have a philosophy that you'd prefer. Give it some time and consider that this defense still held the Pats to 13 points.
it's always great our posting discussions, because I like the ideas you bring to the table and observations that have merit.
And yeah, I know --- you might be thinking, "... CGV is giving me a little bit of a hand job here, can't wait to see the hammer he has behind his back that's coming up next ..."
But no, really - my first sentence is straight up, but I do disagree, as follows.
> change the entire defensive system. Disagree. These guys are athletes first, and are athletic enough to do what i'm asking which is to give the pass rush enough time to get home. What I propose is a different way to support our pass rush - and given that the previous two opponents have recognized that they need to get rid of the ball quick and pass to receivers in FRONT of our back seven (not caps, Daniel, Italics, writing for emphasis and not shouting), and doing it in 2.5 or 3 seconds, then our defense has to change that quick time-window paradigm.
> They're not going to change that paradigm playing "keep the ball in front of you" and the standard 4 man rush. Which to my inaccurate time-keeping, gets home to the QB in 3.5-5 seconds - so the QB is already stressed out because his receivers aren't getting open, and the tidal wave is just about to hit. That's just not happening, Dan, and no amount of hope or waiting for the opponent to fall into a 2nd and 10, 2nd and 9 is going to help change that. The whole idea of the quick release McCarthy and O'Brien implemented successfully was to get the receiver 3 - 4 yards out and catch the ball IN FRONT OF OUR DEFENDERS, and get another 1 or 2 YAC. Now, 1 or 2 YAC may sound piss poor, but if you're already catching the ball 4 yards downfield, now your guy has gotten 6, 7 yards on that 1st down play - and their offense now has a manageable 2nd and 4, 2nd and 3.
> coming back to this change, it's not the entire system, not a new defense. The pass rush still presses forward. Adding a 5th passrusher in those first 3 seconds after hike, especially a 4.5 speeder like QW or Surratt, really changes things in our favor...
>>> but ONLY if accompanied by press coverage from the back 6.
> Look, our CBs are athletic. They can chip, bump, delay those WR's for an extra 2 seconds - that's 2 seconds the WR's DON'T have to run that quick, 3-5yard downfield route, crossing route, flat route. AND, they no longer present a target that's in FRONT of the DB's. The DB is on them already, and taking advantage of the 5 yard from scrimmage rule (the 5 yard illegal contact rule) - because conveniently, McCarthy and O'Brien, knowing Brich has accommodated them by NOT contesting the 5 yard zone, have designed their passes to be completed in that zone and counted on their YAC.
Point two of this approach. Now, the opposing QB can't release the rock in under three seconds, now he takes more time. And yes, it's time that at some point the Receiver is going to get a break against the press. For the enemy #1 wide out (CeeDee Lamb) you double cover him, over and under, or in this case over and press. Remember, we still have 6 guys in the back, the corners either three or four if the offensive set calls for a 4th CB, plus the two Safeties.
But now in this example, TIME is quickly turning in our favor.
To wit: 2.5 seconds TIME = pass rush doesn't pressure the QB PLUS Receiver catches the ball 3-4 yards downfield, IN FRONT of pass defender, and GETS 1-3YAC, sometimes more, resulting in very easy 2nd and low yards for them.
What I propose: 3.5 to over 4 seconds TIME = pass rush getting home, forcing the QB into mistakes, incompletions, knock him around a few times, get him nervous, hearing steps.
Why the 5th pass rusher? Because in our current play against Dallas and NE, the 4 man rush, though not getting to the QB, did cause significant disruption to the integrity of the pass-protection pocket. Remember, Quinnen is still getting doubleteamed. Huff is being chipped by a TE before taking on the tackle, resulting in SLOWING HIM DOWN (that's a great example of the offense creating more TIME for their QB). But the Pocket has holes in it, for brief moments a clear path to the QB --- But NO ONE IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT BREACH, because BRICH "... it's just not what we do ..." isn't adapting and doing this.
Dan, I've been looking at these two games past - I download them all to my HD, hit that replay button on the relevant plays, and the times I've seen that gaping hole open up, maybe 4 - 5 yards between the LOS and the QB - and PRAYED/SCREAMED at my monitor, "... WHY OH WHY ITF AM I NOT SEEING A FIFTH RUSHER A-GAP THE FUCK OUTTA THIS QB!!! ..." - well, I'm whisper-shouting now when I do that, because the family thought I was losing it LOL.
Quincy Williams runs a mid 4.5 40, plus he's quick and gets to top speed quickly. A fire-and-forget missile, as we've seen when gets to tackle runners.
Chazz Surratt runs a 4.6. Haven't seen enough of him but he's former QB, hence has that knowledge in him when he processes the play, so he "plays quick" accordingly. Added plus, he's good at coverage.
These guys can shoot the gap, Dan.
> change of entire defensive system. Coming back to this, because in my humble opinion, this is not a fundamental change. It's taking advantage of the quality of defensive players we have, their inherent athleticism, to provide more pressure on the QB, cutting down the easy 2nd-and-low situations which allows the opponents to get high percentage, 1st down conversions from these 2nd-and-2's, 3's.
These are things the Jets D can do. Reed, Sauce, Carter are excellent cover guys. Sauce is generational in that regard. Put them in positions to succeed, to attack the offense.
Waiting for the play to come to them is not how our defense is going to win games, situations. You'll notice, when the opponents had bad first downs, maybe an incompletion on the gimme in the 5 yard zone, whatever, that their subsequent plays were more easily defended by our guys - because at point, they were more likely playing offense into our strength, and not underneath the coverage. More TIME to process, meaning more TIME for the pass rush to get to them, meaning receivers were now running the route into the thick of the Jets back 7.
Which our defense excels at playing.
Unfortunately, how often did the Cowboys, the Patriots have those bad first downs? Not very.
So in closing, the changes I propose would not be permanent - they are, I feel, an adequate response, adaptation to take away what two offensive coordinators have already done successfully against us. Once the opponent is in a second and long, then we can play more traditional Jets Defense - so this tactic is another tool that our Defense should use, that Brich better start practicing so that we can have "... a lot of success in doing ... " as well as the usual stuff.
We have the horses for this, Dan - and my favorite part of this, it gives us the initiative to make the offense react to US, and not have us sitting in our comfortable, let-the-play-come-to-us bullshit that's so far not working.
PS: Dan, should also say explicitly, what I propose is not a move away from our standard defensive package (4 man rush, back seven sit in soft zone or man-to-man). It's a tool that I'm certain can be successfully implemented with the quality talent we have.
Dude, I always love your breakdowns! You're, honestly, very correct in most of this. There are ways that the Jets can be a bit more assertive on the defensive end without whole-sale change to the scheme. I pulled a bit of the same stuff I've been railing against this morning (hyperbole). They should definitely put together a package within their current defense that attempts to combat what the Pats and Boys did the past two games. Honestly, we're saying very similar things regardless of how much extra mustard I try to put on your words. They ABSOLUTELY (I'm shouting here....definitely not italics) have the dogs to run some of those concepts. It's a matter of Ulbrich working in some of these adjustments (KEY WORD ALERT!!!!!) so that they aren't dinked and dunked to death. The stats from that game were interesting for the defense. They made sure Mac was playing confused for big chunks of the game and his eventual completion percentage speaks to that. Mahomes and Kelce are going to be a friggin' handful.
Has Ruckert earned playing time? Has Hardman earned playing time? Fellas....we see these players once a week for a couple of hours. The coaches see them every single day for multiple hours, in addition to the hundreds of hours they've spent evaluating them in training camp and over the summer. If Ruckert isn't playing yet, there's a good chance he hasn't played well enough to pass Uzomah on the depth chart. Same goes for Hardman and Cobb. Please, can we stop jumping to conclusions and trust that, perhaps, the coaches might know more about this than your average fan?
There was definitely a lack of speed on offense. Hardman, for all of his foibles, has a ton of it and might at least provide another dimension to the O. I, honestly, don't like seeing Cobb out there. Watching him get planted on his ass on that Dalvin Cook swing pass (speaking of another guy who doesn't seem to have the juice he once had) was a frustrating experience.
I’m not sure that I can stomach watching the jets for the remainder of the season! That was as hideous a performance as I have witnessed with the exception of some of Zach’s prior performances. What is insufferable about the current circumstances is that a league competent backup was not signed as well as Rodgers. To trot out the same QB with the expectation of a different outcome is insane! I’m not sure how or if there is anything that can resuscitate this carcass at this point. Problems at QB and OC. Woolly, notable for his patience is probably sharpening his quill to sign the termination documents.
How many next years is enough. Oh well....there is always basketball. If I watch next week, my son will be wearing his Mahomes Jersey to add insult to injury. At least he has a good QB to root for.
Need to do something this morning to get rid of some frustration...the gym perhaps?
It's a very tough watch at the moment because we're getting hit from both sides. The play design and game-plan is awful, but even when it does work...Zach can't hit a basic timing route and can't get through his progressions. It's really poor all-around, and Saleh needs to take some responsibility for the offence. He's a head coach and not a defensive coordinator.
Hi David. I fully agree. It is very frustrating as a long term jets fan to watch the team implode as it has. The NFL is a QB driven league, and the acquisition of Rodgers changed the narrative. I was looking forward to a winning season and possibly some playoff games. Now, we are in the race for a top 5 pick. Overall the roster has a lot of talent. We just do not have depth at QB to compensate for the loss of Rodgers. Unfortunately Wilson doesn’t have the fundamentals and ability to execute the basic plays and understand what his options are pre and post snap. I am told that his footwork has improved, perhaps he should try ballroom dancing!
If the Jets don't care enough to at least TRY something different, why should the rest of us continue to care about this team at all? Looks like we're destined for yet another lost season.
Your right Rich...I mean I hope you do otherwise I'm out of business lol, But I understand the sentiment. I found it really hard to sit and write about the team last night. I'd finished a 10 hour shift covering European football and was sitting there at 1am trying to put something together without a string of expletives.
Rich,sad but probably true. I won’t take much if anything from RS post game remarks because other than throwing someone like Hackett,Zach or our o-line under the bus what else can he do but skew the company line. He is the unquestioned king of coach speak!
I understand that Salah can’t trash his QB in public, but what does it say to the locker room. These are pros, you can’t hide his grossly sub-par performance from them. Yes the O-line is a problem, so too is inability to go through progressions, be decisive and throw the ball quickly. I truly wonder to what degree is Wilson’s poor performance due to poor coaching or lack of football IQ. Likely both.
They absolutely have to do everything they can do bring in a QB this week. Not next week, not before the bye week, this week. Within 24 hours the Jets need to have a new QB in the building to get him up to speed. I will take Wentz, I will take Ryan, I will take anyone. I can't sit through another Zach Wilson game. I've just been watching All-22 clips and he missed layup after layup. I mean big play after big play.
I'm curious as to what the All-22 is showing when it comes to the difference between Zach Wilson's one good drive and the rest of the game. Romo was providing some excellent commentary that made a lot of sense. It makes me wonder if there are some tweaks that Hackett can make in putting Wilson in better positions to be successful early. Wilson has shown the ability to hit the layups he constantly missed last year (the swing passes, hitches, etc). Perhaps there is more quick game they can get to early? I bet there are some personnel changes coming, as well. They have to get a bit more explosive. Dalvin Cook looks so dang slow!
I need to go through that 4th quarter drive again, but it seems as though NE changed their defesive structure slightly. Weren't as aggressive, played ore cushion. I think I've counted 7 plays so far which could have gone for 10+ yard gains, not difficult reads, simple basic play structure that is actually well designed. Watching it back, I'm actually to a point where I think I was too harsh on Hackett and not harsh enough on Zach. I think even league average QB play gets you 250+ yards and 2+ touchdowns yesterday. Also makes me think the Patriots are not a very good football team.
Daniel I think it was as much about throwing in first down than throwing quick. NE dared him to throw early stacking the LOS with 8 man fronts. Yet Hackett called run plays. Zach actually audibles into a run play early that go blown up for a 5 yard loss. By throwing on 1st team it surprised NE and allowed us to get ahead of the sticks. Room to operate. Made a big difference. I agree the uptempo helped as well as NE couldn’t get subs in or adjust as well.
Unfortunately Daniel, I think you are expecting too much of him. His pre-snap reads are not working to his benefit and to ask him to do something that is utterly foreign. He got through high school and BYU because of his physical talent alone, and he's consistently shown that there are some things he just cannot do, and they are probably the most important things that he needs to know how to do. I really think he's at the end of the line in NY. Can anyone else bring out the best in him ????? Who knows ???? He definitely has suffered through OC issues, but is that the problem ???? I don't think so. He is just too slow to react to just about anything, and if he doesn't have perfect protection, he panics 4 out of 5 times. I also think that the "culture" that Saleh always preaches has not worked at all. And now he makes himself look like an idiot in press conferences. Between the absolute garbage about Duane Brown last week and the garbage that ZW gives the Jets the best shot at winning, he is becoming more of a laughingstock than I could possibly imagine. His biggest problem is losing the confidence of his star players like Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner. He's stubborn and thinks he knows what's right, but all he's shown is no ability to adjust to what makes sense and will work. Sometimes he sounds like an empty bag talking.
You may be right regarding Zach. He's shown some major issues with his processing speed. I do think he's made improvements, but the data doesn't always make a ton of sense. He plays like garbage in most of the situations that they've put him in where there is, technically, less pressure. He has, however, led a couple of impressive drives when the pressure was higher and he was operating an offense that looked completely different from what they'd been trying to run most of the time. I can't put my finger on it. It's possible that those situations were ones where the defense was giving more room for the receivers to operate and for him to operate. I think I'd need to see the All-22 to determine that kind of thing, and even then, I don't know the reads that he is being asked to make. The play that David embedded in the post is interesting. At first glance, you see Lazard waving his arms and you think he's open and that Zach should automatically fire that pass. His eyes and head movement suggests that the sequence of the reads was a little bit different, though. I'm almost tempted to suggest that there's a viable offense here where they don't try to protect him against himself so much. The play calling was, no doubt, really frustrating.
Regarding Saleh and his comments; I think that is, by a long shot, the least important part of the conversation. How the head coach answers questions posed to him by the media, and how those responses are interpreted on message boards thereafter, doesn't seem as important as how he is actually handling the locker room. I do think there is a lot of stuff they need to fix between the offense and defense (offense way more than the D, of course), but Saleh having positive comments doesn't strike me as particularly important to the players, especially given the fact that we know (from Hard Knocks) that sometimes Saleh's public comments differ from his private comments to the team. He will, however, have to negotiate a shitty situation between the offensive guys and the defensive guys. A good way to break up a team is for feelings of blame to fester. He needs to nip that shit in the bud.
You may be right about Saleh, but it just doesn't look good when he insists something is black when anyone with two brain cells to rub together and the barest modicum of common sense knows that it's white is just a bad look overall. I didn't see the press conference, so did he even say anything like, "we have some things to work on" or something similar, or just pronounce that ZW is the best shot at winning, which we all know is disingenuous at best. There are a LOT of dumbasses in the media, but the local beat reporters who see exactly what's going on every day are pretty decent in NYC. As far as Zach is concerned, there is just so much he isn't doing right that seeing him make a spectacular play is even more of a downer because he will come out on the next play and look like he knows absolutely nothing about the play or how it has to be done. He's a real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, except that there's too much Hyde and not enough Jekyll.
And then you go to GGN and REALLY get frustrated at some of the "stories" they come up with, lol. I pretty much scan the title page and see if anything catches my eye. The Jet Way, and David, make even the shitty times a little easier to tolerate, unlike some of the bozos on GGN. Some of them, like John B, Michael Nania, I Miss Fat Rex and several others are really on the ball and put out some good film clips and decent discussions, but there is so much mediocre stuff I almost don't bother at all.
If the Jets want to do anything meaningful this season, they have to bring in a veteran. Wilson is not capable of being the QB we all thought he could be. It is what it is. He cannot read defenses, period, and then cannot make the right decisions in a reasonable amount of time. There should be no apologists for him at this point, he's proven that he just can't cut it where it really counts. There's really nothing much else to say. With him starting, the team is an embarrassment. This season is over for all intents and purposes, so bring somebody in who is at least competent. Also, Dalvin Cook is a shadow of his former self and a detriment to the offense. They never should have signed him and kept Bam. Uzomah and Cobb shouldn't be on the field as much as they are. If Hardman had caught that pass yesterday in the red zone he would have exploded into the end zone. Cobb got run down immediately. Uzomah is an awful blocker and not playing Ruckert exclusively is almost criminal. Bawden, who I really like as a player, has been invisible regarding his forte as a blocker. But the biggest reason to bench Wilson and bring in a veteran is that there is a danger of alienating all of the key players that they need. We saw plenty of evidence of that on the sideline yesterday. Wilson is NOT a winning QB, so give someone else a chance to get some wins this season before the team collapses completely because of a loss of morale. The Wilson era is not only over, it never even got started.
Mike Z,you might want to rephrase your comment to we all hoped he could be.😂 I never for one moment had that thought. Watching him play against the Hobart School of music’s JV his final season at BYU I never saw anything that said NFL 1st round draft pick. Even the so called big throw he made at his pro day was a throw Sam Darnold made in a game against the 49ers to Braxton Berrios under great pressure to a covered receiver.
Agreed Mike. RS is rapidly loosing the fan base, the media and his players. Players publicly talking back at his coaching staff is a sure sign of disrespect. You dis the assistant your dissing the HC!
I can't believe how fast we went from being on top of the world, thinking a super bowl was within our reach....to this. That was 3 short weeks ago, but it feels like a year. And the worst part is, all of a sudden, it looks like no one has any idea what they're doing. Not the coaches, not the front office, and definitely not the quarterback. It seemed like we had found some stability, didn't it? Suddenly everything looks like a very shaky mess...to the point that it seems like these issues run way deeper than just losing Rodgers.
"If you're reading this. I don't know why." lol!!! Levity is a way to get through this for sure. I finally thought the days of watching a QB playing in the NFL and sighing loudly saying "it must be nice", were over.
It is extremely frustrating when the head coach and assume the GM just contine to support this QB. We all know they wont hang him out to dry in public - but you cant say in a public forum to the world "He gives us the best chance of winning". You just made yourself look like a idiot. There is a "paying' public of seasn ticket holders - a lot of us sat in the rain yesterday (whch doesnt really matter). Is this management group telling us we are going to 'punt' on the season 3 games in ? If you get bad food at a retuarant you wont go back. This is 2 years now (i'll throw out the first year) of this QB play. Putting all thier hopes on a QB without a backup was stupid. If im t he owner i am asking today - i have season ticket holders (and Joe Namath) up my butt and they are paying customers - WHAT ARE WE DOING ? For me - and i dont care its only 3 games in but the Coach and GM HAVE to go after this 4-13 campaign (12-16 wins in 3 years is EGNOUGH)
a high note was that we actually chatted a bit on a call. Sorry I missed you, woulda been good to meet, shake and knock back a cold one together.
Bud, what you're saying, is a distinct possibility. I truly wish they don't get rid of JD, though - he's made some very good, excellent moves - but in this game if you have no solid OLine or good QB, it's gonna make everything look like shit.
Add to that, obvious deficiencies by the Coordinators which we've all noted here on TJW ( because as we know, TJW Rocks! ) and it makes for one shit Sunday afternoon.
Coming back to JD, I think one achilles heel aspect of him, he likes to swing for the fences on talent, but imho, doesn't know when to protect the plate, work the pitcher's count.
He could have traded the 2021 #2 pick, say to Cinci (5), Atl (6), Car (8) or prob the best option, Chicago (11) who went for Justin Fields in that draft - and reaped a ton of draft capital, and gone for guys like (below list, with pick they went on)
> Pitts - 4
> Chase - 5
> Waddle - 6
> Sewell - 7
> Surtain II - 9
> MICAH!!! - 12
Plus not trading up for AVT, our 23, 66 & 86 to Minn for their 14 - big price, good thing AVT is a very good player.
In 2020 draft he chose Becton (11) over Wirfs, who went #13 to Tampa.
In 2022 draft, JD hit the grand slam - Sauce, Garrett, JJ, Breece - and if they use him right, Ruckert.
And Clemons, come'on... dude is stud!
And in 2023 he swings for the fences again; choosing McDonald (14) over not getting an OT; choosing Tippmann (43) for his higher ceiling, over JMS who went (57) to the giants.
I think JD's big swings at the plate in 2022 - well, they speak for themselves.
I think his choices in 2023 - yeah, lots of potential, but I think we would have been better off aiming for an Anton Harrison, LT out of Oklahoma (them be some big-ass, corn-fed and Angus-Beefed up effin Giants - that's what Oklahoma OLine prospects always turn out as...).
Harrison went (27) to the Jags, is their starting LT - and doing a pretty fine job so far. I think there were trade candidates for the Jets this past draft in the 1st round with Seattle (20, who picked Jaxon Smith-Njigba fm Ohio State); Detroit @ 18, maybe even Baltimore @ 22 or Minn @ 23, who these latter two both picked good receivers.
in that make-believe scenario, I could see the Jets, @ 18, 20, 22 or 23, picking Harrison for our OL, plus more draft capital in the midrange 2nd to 3rd round this year, or maybe a 2 next year (since at the time we were expecting to send our 1 to GB for AR 65% plays...)
and if Seattle, Baltimore or Minnesota woulda had the 14th pick, then yeah, I see Jaxon easily going there to any of the three.
But as they say, if Frogs had handguns, birds wouldn't fuck with them, and neither will my dream of "what-if?" hold any liquid any more than my shot (or three) of Cuervo Reposado.
But yeah, I think '23 would have been a good time for JD to not take big cuts at the plate, gone for the single to advance the runner.
'side from that, bud - i know you're going to all the games - but if - IF - by chance you decide to not go to one, later in the year, let's get together at a local place between us, have a bite, knock back a couple a cold ones, and together stick pins into the voodoo dolls i'm making in Brich and Hackett's likenesses..
CGVet58
good move but time has shown how much more could have been gotten, as GREAT players (
The grass isn't always greener. Unfortunately, you're arguing your point by pointing to some idyllic backup quarterback, honestly, doesn't exist. If this quarterback existed, every team would have signed that guy. Additionally, going through ANOTHER new front office and coaching staff is an exercise in futility. Do you truly think that the next group of people they trot in is ever going to succeed, regardless of how they do, when the entire fan base hyperventilates at every turn? Can we, please, just skip the hyperbole? It's exhausting.
Look i stand by what i said and i will do that 365 days a year !. Teddy Bridgewater was out there and they could have signed him. If you want to blindly root for this mess ok then. However i an not going to get EXHAUSTED reading your cheap shot comments about what i what i feel. If you cant see that after 2 plus years this is a disaster and still have hope for this year then obviously you are not watching the games. - no way. I am tired of you taking personal shots at me whan i vent my opnion. Can we please just STOP - SHUT UP ! Stop readng what i write - that simple
Appreciate all your comments Steve. We can all disagree in the right way can't we, hell I know plenty have disagreed with me over the last 18 months lol
I'm with you on being exhausted with Zach, the excuses, watching another season just slip away...and I'm not paying thousands for season tickets. I get it, I'm as frustrated as hell, angry even. I can't blindly believe this coaching staff know better because the results on the field don't reflect some advanced knowledge. Cobb catching one pass in 44+ snaps, I mean where is the logic in not trying something else. I don't get it. Every week I'm losing faith in the organisation from top to bottom.
I'm going to continue to point out the flaws in what you say, buddy. You hyperventilate about what happened in that game, and I'm probably going to point out where you're going over the top and where you're spot on. I don't see them as personal shots. If you want to discuss what happened, please do. That's what I'm here for
am going to inject in here - yes, you're right Dan, there's really no good options, and Wentz is... well... No. Bad influence, hear nothing good about him from the other locker rooms he's been a part of. For my part, I coulda rode with Minshew had JD the presence of mind to have gotten a quality NFL QB and not rely on AR-ZW-Boyd.
That does not excuse the fact that, as far as we know, Saleh has not only stood fast by saying that Zach is who he rides with - but as far as i can tell, there's been no action about getting another QB, and earlier rather than after the break.
At the rate we're going, when the Jets hit the break they'll be 1 and forever - and if they haven't gotten a QB before then, at that point in the season, what's the point? You get someone in week 7, that someone still has to learn up the offense, acclimate to the players... what would that take? Another 2-3 weeks? And meanwhile Zach is still having trouble?
Because with that plan, the only way I see Zach making the kind of progress that can translate into wins, is if the Offensive Line gets fixed up to be competent, and someone feeds Hackett a bunch of EX-LAX laced brownies on Gameday so he spends it sitting on the white porcelain god and not on the sidelines leaving our best players on the bench while riding with marginal (Uzomah, Cobb) players on the field.
In other words, Saleh looks like he's playing for yet. another. high. draft pick. Maybe he's not, but it looks like maybe he is.
I would've enjoyed Minshew. The guy seems really weird, which would've been fun to root for. Alas, he was gobbled up by the Colts and played pretty well on Sunday. The person who can fix all of this, at this point, is Hackett. He probably needs to earn every cent of that contract.
On September 11, 2023 at approximately 8:40, for all intent and reasons the Jet season was unofficially over. They are playing out the string due to the malfeasance of the front office and coaching staff.
Aside from a miraculous comeback, No not miraculous, aside from a comeback added tremendously by Bills quarterback Josh Allen playing hot potato turning the ball over 4 times, the season has turned into the most depressing season in Jet history.
It is understandable that in this era of salary cap bingo, there is only so much a team can do based on the contracts of the players on the roster, but how could the Jets bring in a 40 year old quarterback and not also bring in a capable backup.
If Zach Wilson was any good or even if he had shown some progress, the Jets would not had been forced to acquire Rodgers.
So after deciding that Zach was not the answer,
so after acquiring Rodgers for a switch in first rounders, 2- second rounders, a 5 and Elijah Moore,
to guarantee that Rodgers would come, they bring in his best friend who happens to be a mediocre Offensive Coordinator ( and to think Saleh didn’t learn his lesson in hiring friends to be coordinators)
Saleh now says that Zach is the man.
Coach he is not the man. In the NFL, quarterbacks have to process the field in as few the seconds as possible. Zach processes as fast as an hour glass.
Please, bring in a veteran. Push your pride aside, you guys blew the Zach pick, if you don’t when Zach leaves the building at the end of the season for hopefully the last time, you might be stuck walking out with him.
One last thought, the great Jet scouting team wasted the second pick of a draft to take Wilson. Wilson is in his third year.
The Texans took C. J. Stroud with the second pick.
After 3 games, third year pro Zach is
44/84 53.4% 467 yards 2 tds 4 picks
78/121 64.5%. 906 yds. 4 tds 0 picks
For Stroud
Yes, you guys blew it big time.
Hey Bobber,
"... saleh: Zach is the man ..."
our response:
sorry, still pissed...
our response: Saleh, keep this shit up and you might not last past the break.
Ditto for Brich.
Spot on. How wud u feel about Carson Wentz?
Three teams. The last three years. Nobody wanted him this year. I know Matt Ryan is a statue in the pocket but at least he can read defenses and process the field. At this point, it’s about saving face, doubtful either one can save the season unfortunately. But ZACH HAS TO GO THAT IS THE DEFINITE
Yes doubtful but I wud give one of them a shot.
I would rather Ryan over Wentz. Many reasons. If the Jets through all the Rodgers negotiations would have said what happens if he gets hurt for a game or two, who’s the backup. They should have gone after Minshew. No intelligent organization with Super Bowl aspirations would ever have kept Wilson as its backup but then again they are the Jets. The whole situation is a disgrace. Now they are stuck with Hackett because I’m sure they don’t want to offend. Hackett makes LeFleur look like an offensive genius
I agree Bobber. Matt Ryan will at least move the chains by completing some of those timing throws and identifying his hot reads and check downs. He's an absolute statue but he can read a defence. I just can't watch Zach Wilson play football again
Matt Ryan could, potentially, do that. Why not, however, try to run this offense by playing to Zach Wilson's strengths, though? Where were the times where he played his best? I'd argue those times when he looked almost good were when he was running up-tempo and being asked to run quick game, getting into the swing of things. He has talent, but when he's placed into the situation where he has to do stuff he isn't good at yet, he is probably going to fail. If you ask Zach Wilson to play a game that Matt Ryan would be good at, it makes me wonder. They're vastly different players who have vastly different strengths. Honestly, the same can be said for Zach Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. When Rodgers was at his best, he was running the kind of offense that Zach Wilson has exceled at most this season (granted, it's a tiny sample size). Rodgers, however, is a veteran who can play multiple styles, one of them being the kind Hackett seems to be employing. It certainly looks like they're trying to protect Wilson or make sure he doesn't have to do much, but it also looks like that, by doing that, they're putting Wilson in the position of having to play a kind of football he doesn't, and has never, played well. Spread things out and allow him to actually throw the ball. You're more likely to stumble into progress by forcing him to run an up-tempo offense than doing this same thing every week (running a hyper-conservative game plan and then abandoning it when the offensive line doesn't open up gaping holes and Zach doesn't do well standing in the pocket and processing).
My wife says I’m too thin and ZW is bad for my digestion . I guess I can’t watch him anymore either.
That's the guy I wanted. No GM or Coach wants to admit that they blew the 2nd pick in the draft. This way they bought some time, hoping Rodgers cud be around for at least 2 years and his acumen might somehow rub of on Wilson.
Wilson is beyond fixing. His issue isn’t talent. It’s processing the defense, his receivers. It’s a mental thing. I’m not saying he is stupid but the one thing that he leads the NFL in all his career is how long he holds the ball. If Sam Darnold saw ghosts, Wilson sees nothing. He could zoom with Rodgers from now until Rodgers is inducted in the hall of fame, he just can’t process what is in front of him
Maybe JD has enough Jack with Wentz to tell him, come and play but don't be a dick in the locker room, cause i'll toss your ass right then and there even if it costs ME my job.
nah, that's not gonna work, so screw it, no Wentz.
This was as putrid a performance as I can remember, and I have seen plenty of them over the past five decades as a Jets fan.
The coaches are afraid of letting their QB throw - with good reason - but that just confirms that he shouldn't be playing QB for the team.
The Defence is nowhere near the '85 Bears standard they have set for themselves, that's just laughable.
The Oline is bad, but gets a slight pass this week as it was a new alignment.
The coaching is terrible. Zach gives us the best chance to win? Ruckert has earned more playing time, but gets just 1 snap? Hardman is a speed threat who can loosen up the D, but can't get on the field over Cobb who can't run any more?
My internet actually went down yesterday evening, so I missed a fair bit of the game. Normally, I'd be enraged to be missing the game. Last night, I was glad.
The Jets are pitiful, but they don't deserve our pity. It's pathetic.
hey Coops!
"... nowhere near the '85 Bears ..." - yes, no kidding. and it's not the fault of the players, either. I blame the coaches Saleh and Brich for sticking to this "keep the ball in front of you, avoid the big play behind" pass defense while expecting that everyone in the league will accommodate our pass rush by having their QB take seven step dropbacks and give our front four the 3-4 seconds they need to get there.
Well Brich, I got news for you. Dallas didn't do it. NE didn't do it. Both those guys were running on 3step (Dak almost exclusively, Mac Jones sometimes) and/or 5step drops, so the ball was out of their hands before our guys got to them.
And Brich, here's another news flash. Their receivers didn't all go and try to get past your back seven. The #1 reads for Dallas & NE were almost all catching balls in FRONT of our guys. So yeah, Brich, your defense sure as shit did keep the ball in front of youze, didn't they?
And Coach Saleh, the same above goes DOUBLE for you.
Ruckert?? One Snap!? ONE FUCKING SNAP???!!!! Way to show the league how you want to "... Fuck You (them...) Up ..." What a bonehead thing to do... and keep on doing, despite your smooth, wordy press conferences where you indicate otherwise.
No Hardman? Check the bonehead category.
Keeping Cobb on the field? Check the bonehead category. Again.
Finally, as a Defensive Specialist - when are you going to kick Brich in the Ass, tell him to start packaging 5 man rushes, TOGETHER AT SAME TIME along with press coverage provided courtesy of Reed, Carter, Gardner & Echols with Whitehead/Adams/Amos ... hell, even with DAVIS when he gets reps - coming in and supporting the press by providing top coverage over the opponents best receiving threat. You should really think about this for next week, because if you think that Andy Reid is going to accommodate you by saying, "... Let's Play JETS football, send Patrick on 7step drops, and send our receivers TEN yards downfield where they're running routes into the thick of their back seven ..." - then you are certifiably mental.
Nope. Not gonna happen, and i'll bet Hunter Biden's left nut that Reid will see what McCarthy schemed up (and Brich's clear lack of adaptation), what Belicheck doubled down on (and Brich's lack of... aw fuck it, you know what i'm gonna say...), and Reid will do the same thing as these two guys. And Beat the defense, beat the Jets.
There's this scrub named Kelce who will DESTROY the back seven with Mahomes tossing him the rock if you let Brich play same old, same old, and not do something different because, "... it's just not what we do ..." So yeah, just go ahead, Coach, and wait for Kelce & crew to NOT catch balls in front of the back seven. Brich, keep on doing what you do and see if something different happens.
Definition of Insanity. Doing the same thing, over and over, while expecting a different result.
CGVet58
I totally get the frustration behind the defense not getting to the quarterback. It is understandable to be kinda pissed to see the defense not dominate. What you're asking them to do, however, is change their entire defensive system. The things you're suggesting are tantamount to installing a brand new defense. That, simply, isn't possible to do. You might as well ask them to sack Saleh and Ulbrich and bring in a new head coach and defensive coordinator who have a philosophy that you'd prefer. Give it some time and consider that this defense still held the Pats to 13 points.
hey Daniel,
it's always great our posting discussions, because I like the ideas you bring to the table and observations that have merit.
And yeah, I know --- you might be thinking, "... CGV is giving me a little bit of a hand job here, can't wait to see the hammer he has behind his back that's coming up next ..."
But no, really - my first sentence is straight up, but I do disagree, as follows.
> change the entire defensive system. Disagree. These guys are athletes first, and are athletic enough to do what i'm asking which is to give the pass rush enough time to get home. What I propose is a different way to support our pass rush - and given that the previous two opponents have recognized that they need to get rid of the ball quick and pass to receivers in FRONT of our back seven (not caps, Daniel, Italics, writing for emphasis and not shouting), and doing it in 2.5 or 3 seconds, then our defense has to change that quick time-window paradigm.
> They're not going to change that paradigm playing "keep the ball in front of you" and the standard 4 man rush. Which to my inaccurate time-keeping, gets home to the QB in 3.5-5 seconds - so the QB is already stressed out because his receivers aren't getting open, and the tidal wave is just about to hit. That's just not happening, Dan, and no amount of hope or waiting for the opponent to fall into a 2nd and 10, 2nd and 9 is going to help change that. The whole idea of the quick release McCarthy and O'Brien implemented successfully was to get the receiver 3 - 4 yards out and catch the ball IN FRONT OF OUR DEFENDERS, and get another 1 or 2 YAC. Now, 1 or 2 YAC may sound piss poor, but if you're already catching the ball 4 yards downfield, now your guy has gotten 6, 7 yards on that 1st down play - and their offense now has a manageable 2nd and 4, 2nd and 3.
> coming back to this change, it's not the entire system, not a new defense. The pass rush still presses forward. Adding a 5th passrusher in those first 3 seconds after hike, especially a 4.5 speeder like QW or Surratt, really changes things in our favor...
>>> but ONLY if accompanied by press coverage from the back 6.
> Look, our CBs are athletic. They can chip, bump, delay those WR's for an extra 2 seconds - that's 2 seconds the WR's DON'T have to run that quick, 3-5yard downfield route, crossing route, flat route. AND, they no longer present a target that's in FRONT of the DB's. The DB is on them already, and taking advantage of the 5 yard from scrimmage rule (the 5 yard illegal contact rule) - because conveniently, McCarthy and O'Brien, knowing Brich has accommodated them by NOT contesting the 5 yard zone, have designed their passes to be completed in that zone and counted on their YAC.
Point two of this approach. Now, the opposing QB can't release the rock in under three seconds, now he takes more time. And yes, it's time that at some point the Receiver is going to get a break against the press. For the enemy #1 wide out (CeeDee Lamb) you double cover him, over and under, or in this case over and press. Remember, we still have 6 guys in the back, the corners either three or four if the offensive set calls for a 4th CB, plus the two Safeties.
But now in this example, TIME is quickly turning in our favor.
To wit: 2.5 seconds TIME = pass rush doesn't pressure the QB PLUS Receiver catches the ball 3-4 yards downfield, IN FRONT of pass defender, and GETS 1-3YAC, sometimes more, resulting in very easy 2nd and low yards for them.
What I propose: 3.5 to over 4 seconds TIME = pass rush getting home, forcing the QB into mistakes, incompletions, knock him around a few times, get him nervous, hearing steps.
Why the 5th pass rusher? Because in our current play against Dallas and NE, the 4 man rush, though not getting to the QB, did cause significant disruption to the integrity of the pass-protection pocket. Remember, Quinnen is still getting doubleteamed. Huff is being chipped by a TE before taking on the tackle, resulting in SLOWING HIM DOWN (that's a great example of the offense creating more TIME for their QB). But the Pocket has holes in it, for brief moments a clear path to the QB --- But NO ONE IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT BREACH, because BRICH "... it's just not what we do ..." isn't adapting and doing this.
Dan, I've been looking at these two games past - I download them all to my HD, hit that replay button on the relevant plays, and the times I've seen that gaping hole open up, maybe 4 - 5 yards between the LOS and the QB - and PRAYED/SCREAMED at my monitor, "... WHY OH WHY ITF AM I NOT SEEING A FIFTH RUSHER A-GAP THE FUCK OUTTA THIS QB!!! ..." - well, I'm whisper-shouting now when I do that, because the family thought I was losing it LOL.
Quincy Williams runs a mid 4.5 40, plus he's quick and gets to top speed quickly. A fire-and-forget missile, as we've seen when gets to tackle runners.
Chazz Surratt runs a 4.6. Haven't seen enough of him but he's former QB, hence has that knowledge in him when he processes the play, so he "plays quick" accordingly. Added plus, he's good at coverage.
These guys can shoot the gap, Dan.
> change of entire defensive system. Coming back to this, because in my humble opinion, this is not a fundamental change. It's taking advantage of the quality of defensive players we have, their inherent athleticism, to provide more pressure on the QB, cutting down the easy 2nd-and-low situations which allows the opponents to get high percentage, 1st down conversions from these 2nd-and-2's, 3's.
These are things the Jets D can do. Reed, Sauce, Carter are excellent cover guys. Sauce is generational in that regard. Put them in positions to succeed, to attack the offense.
Waiting for the play to come to them is not how our defense is going to win games, situations. You'll notice, when the opponents had bad first downs, maybe an incompletion on the gimme in the 5 yard zone, whatever, that their subsequent plays were more easily defended by our guys - because at point, they were more likely playing offense into our strength, and not underneath the coverage. More TIME to process, meaning more TIME for the pass rush to get to them, meaning receivers were now running the route into the thick of the Jets back 7.
Which our defense excels at playing.
Unfortunately, how often did the Cowboys, the Patriots have those bad first downs? Not very.
So in closing, the changes I propose would not be permanent - they are, I feel, an adequate response, adaptation to take away what two offensive coordinators have already done successfully against us. Once the opponent is in a second and long, then we can play more traditional Jets Defense - so this tactic is another tool that our Defense should use, that Brich better start practicing so that we can have "... a lot of success in doing ... " as well as the usual stuff.
We have the horses for this, Dan - and my favorite part of this, it gives us the initiative to make the offense react to US, and not have us sitting in our comfortable, let-the-play-come-to-us bullshit that's so far not working.
Lookin' forward to your reply.
CGVet58
PS: Dan, should also say explicitly, what I propose is not a move away from our standard defensive package (4 man rush, back seven sit in soft zone or man-to-man). It's a tool that I'm certain can be successfully implemented with the quality talent we have.
Dude, I always love your breakdowns! You're, honestly, very correct in most of this. There are ways that the Jets can be a bit more assertive on the defensive end without whole-sale change to the scheme. I pulled a bit of the same stuff I've been railing against this morning (hyperbole). They should definitely put together a package within their current defense that attempts to combat what the Pats and Boys did the past two games. Honestly, we're saying very similar things regardless of how much extra mustard I try to put on your words. They ABSOLUTELY (I'm shouting here....definitely not italics) have the dogs to run some of those concepts. It's a matter of Ulbrich working in some of these adjustments (KEY WORD ALERT!!!!!) so that they aren't dinked and dunked to death. The stats from that game were interesting for the defense. They made sure Mac was playing confused for big chunks of the game and his eventual completion percentage speaks to that. Mahomes and Kelce are going to be a friggin' handful.
hey Dan -
LOL --- "... ABSOLUTELY (I'm shouting here... definitely not italics).
I hope David sees this - HEY DAVID (shouting now, in a friendly way LOL...)
any chance you can get the blog responses to allow for italics? So we can distinguish between <i>emphasis</i> and SCREAMING!!!???
Plus, a little <b>BOLD</b> wouldn't be a bad idea, either.
TJW is da BEST
Couldn’t agree more
Has Ruckert earned playing time? Has Hardman earned playing time? Fellas....we see these players once a week for a couple of hours. The coaches see them every single day for multiple hours, in addition to the hundreds of hours they've spent evaluating them in training camp and over the summer. If Ruckert isn't playing yet, there's a good chance he hasn't played well enough to pass Uzomah on the depth chart. Same goes for Hardman and Cobb. Please, can we stop jumping to conclusions and trust that, perhaps, the coaches might know more about this than your average fan?
one snap for Ruckert.
five snaps for Hardman.
Fellas, it's time to put a Hot Coal in Hackett's shoe (or seat of his pants) - see if that'll get him movin' on this.
There was definitely a lack of speed on offense. Hardman, for all of his foibles, has a ton of it and might at least provide another dimension to the O. I, honestly, don't like seeing Cobb out there. Watching him get planted on his ass on that Dalvin Cook swing pass (speaking of another guy who doesn't seem to have the juice he once had) was a frustrating experience.
I’m not sure that I can stomach watching the jets for the remainder of the season! That was as hideous a performance as I have witnessed with the exception of some of Zach’s prior performances. What is insufferable about the current circumstances is that a league competent backup was not signed as well as Rodgers. To trot out the same QB with the expectation of a different outcome is insane! I’m not sure how or if there is anything that can resuscitate this carcass at this point. Problems at QB and OC. Woolly, notable for his patience is probably sharpening his quill to sign the termination documents.
How many next years is enough. Oh well....there is always basketball. If I watch next week, my son will be wearing his Mahomes Jersey to add insult to injury. At least he has a good QB to root for.
Need to do something this morning to get rid of some frustration...the gym perhaps?
It's a very tough watch at the moment because we're getting hit from both sides. The play design and game-plan is awful, but even when it does work...Zach can't hit a basic timing route and can't get through his progressions. It's really poor all-around, and Saleh needs to take some responsibility for the offence. He's a head coach and not a defensive coordinator.
Hi David. I fully agree. It is very frustrating as a long term jets fan to watch the team implode as it has. The NFL is a QB driven league, and the acquisition of Rodgers changed the narrative. I was looking forward to a winning season and possibly some playoff games. Now, we are in the race for a top 5 pick. Overall the roster has a lot of talent. We just do not have depth at QB to compensate for the loss of Rodgers. Unfortunately Wilson doesn’t have the fundamentals and ability to execute the basic plays and understand what his options are pre and post snap. I am told that his footwork has improved, perhaps he should try ballroom dancing!
If the Jets don't care enough to at least TRY something different, why should the rest of us continue to care about this team at all? Looks like we're destined for yet another lost season.
Your right Rich...I mean I hope you do otherwise I'm out of business lol, But I understand the sentiment. I found it really hard to sit and write about the team last night. I'd finished a 10 hour shift covering European football and was sitting there at 1am trying to put something together without a string of expletives.
Rich,sad but probably true. I won’t take much if anything from RS post game remarks because other than throwing someone like Hackett,Zach or our o-line under the bus what else can he do but skew the company line. He is the unquestioned king of coach speak!
I understand that Salah can’t trash his QB in public, but what does it say to the locker room. These are pros, you can’t hide his grossly sub-par performance from them. Yes the O-line is a problem, so too is inability to go through progressions, be decisive and throw the ball quickly. I truly wonder to what degree is Wilson’s poor performance due to poor coaching or lack of football IQ. Likely both.
They absolutely have to do everything they can do bring in a QB this week. Not next week, not before the bye week, this week. Within 24 hours the Jets need to have a new QB in the building to get him up to speed. I will take Wentz, I will take Ryan, I will take anyone. I can't sit through another Zach Wilson game. I've just been watching All-22 clips and he missed layup after layup. I mean big play after big play.
I'm curious as to what the All-22 is showing when it comes to the difference between Zach Wilson's one good drive and the rest of the game. Romo was providing some excellent commentary that made a lot of sense. It makes me wonder if there are some tweaks that Hackett can make in putting Wilson in better positions to be successful early. Wilson has shown the ability to hit the layups he constantly missed last year (the swing passes, hitches, etc). Perhaps there is more quick game they can get to early? I bet there are some personnel changes coming, as well. They have to get a bit more explosive. Dalvin Cook looks so dang slow!
I need to go through that 4th quarter drive again, but it seems as though NE changed their defesive structure slightly. Weren't as aggressive, played ore cushion. I think I've counted 7 plays so far which could have gone for 10+ yard gains, not difficult reads, simple basic play structure that is actually well designed. Watching it back, I'm actually to a point where I think I was too harsh on Hackett and not harsh enough on Zach. I think even league average QB play gets you 250+ yards and 2+ touchdowns yesterday. Also makes me think the Patriots are not a very good football team.
Daniel I think it was as much about throwing in first down than throwing quick. NE dared him to throw early stacking the LOS with 8 man fronts. Yet Hackett called run plays. Zach actually audibles into a run play early that go blown up for a 5 yard loss. By throwing on 1st team it surprised NE and allowed us to get ahead of the sticks. Room to operate. Made a big difference. I agree the uptempo helped as well as NE couldn’t get subs in or adjust as well.
Unfortunately Daniel, I think you are expecting too much of him. His pre-snap reads are not working to his benefit and to ask him to do something that is utterly foreign. He got through high school and BYU because of his physical talent alone, and he's consistently shown that there are some things he just cannot do, and they are probably the most important things that he needs to know how to do. I really think he's at the end of the line in NY. Can anyone else bring out the best in him ????? Who knows ???? He definitely has suffered through OC issues, but is that the problem ???? I don't think so. He is just too slow to react to just about anything, and if he doesn't have perfect protection, he panics 4 out of 5 times. I also think that the "culture" that Saleh always preaches has not worked at all. And now he makes himself look like an idiot in press conferences. Between the absolute garbage about Duane Brown last week and the garbage that ZW gives the Jets the best shot at winning, he is becoming more of a laughingstock than I could possibly imagine. His biggest problem is losing the confidence of his star players like Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner. He's stubborn and thinks he knows what's right, but all he's shown is no ability to adjust to what makes sense and will work. Sometimes he sounds like an empty bag talking.
You may be right regarding Zach. He's shown some major issues with his processing speed. I do think he's made improvements, but the data doesn't always make a ton of sense. He plays like garbage in most of the situations that they've put him in where there is, technically, less pressure. He has, however, led a couple of impressive drives when the pressure was higher and he was operating an offense that looked completely different from what they'd been trying to run most of the time. I can't put my finger on it. It's possible that those situations were ones where the defense was giving more room for the receivers to operate and for him to operate. I think I'd need to see the All-22 to determine that kind of thing, and even then, I don't know the reads that he is being asked to make. The play that David embedded in the post is interesting. At first glance, you see Lazard waving his arms and you think he's open and that Zach should automatically fire that pass. His eyes and head movement suggests that the sequence of the reads was a little bit different, though. I'm almost tempted to suggest that there's a viable offense here where they don't try to protect him against himself so much. The play calling was, no doubt, really frustrating.
Regarding Saleh and his comments; I think that is, by a long shot, the least important part of the conversation. How the head coach answers questions posed to him by the media, and how those responses are interpreted on message boards thereafter, doesn't seem as important as how he is actually handling the locker room. I do think there is a lot of stuff they need to fix between the offense and defense (offense way more than the D, of course), but Saleh having positive comments doesn't strike me as particularly important to the players, especially given the fact that we know (from Hard Knocks) that sometimes Saleh's public comments differ from his private comments to the team. He will, however, have to negotiate a shitty situation between the offensive guys and the defensive guys. A good way to break up a team is for feelings of blame to fester. He needs to nip that shit in the bud.
You may be right about Saleh, but it just doesn't look good when he insists something is black when anyone with two brain cells to rub together and the barest modicum of common sense knows that it's white is just a bad look overall. I didn't see the press conference, so did he even say anything like, "we have some things to work on" or something similar, or just pronounce that ZW is the best shot at winning, which we all know is disingenuous at best. There are a LOT of dumbasses in the media, but the local beat reporters who see exactly what's going on every day are pretty decent in NYC. As far as Zach is concerned, there is just so much he isn't doing right that seeing him make a spectacular play is even more of a downer because he will come out on the next play and look like he knows absolutely nothing about the play or how it has to be done. He's a real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, except that there's too much Hyde and not enough Jekyll.
And then you go to GGN and REALLY get frustrated at some of the "stories" they come up with, lol. I pretty much scan the title page and see if anything catches my eye. The Jet Way, and David, make even the shitty times a little easier to tolerate, unlike some of the bozos on GGN. Some of them, like John B, Michael Nania, I Miss Fat Rex and several others are really on the ball and put out some good film clips and decent discussions, but there is so much mediocre stuff I almost don't bother at all.
If the Jets want to do anything meaningful this season, they have to bring in a veteran. Wilson is not capable of being the QB we all thought he could be. It is what it is. He cannot read defenses, period, and then cannot make the right decisions in a reasonable amount of time. There should be no apologists for him at this point, he's proven that he just can't cut it where it really counts. There's really nothing much else to say. With him starting, the team is an embarrassment. This season is over for all intents and purposes, so bring somebody in who is at least competent. Also, Dalvin Cook is a shadow of his former self and a detriment to the offense. They never should have signed him and kept Bam. Uzomah and Cobb shouldn't be on the field as much as they are. If Hardman had caught that pass yesterday in the red zone he would have exploded into the end zone. Cobb got run down immediately. Uzomah is an awful blocker and not playing Ruckert exclusively is almost criminal. Bawden, who I really like as a player, has been invisible regarding his forte as a blocker. But the biggest reason to bench Wilson and bring in a veteran is that there is a danger of alienating all of the key players that they need. We saw plenty of evidence of that on the sideline yesterday. Wilson is NOT a winning QB, so give someone else a chance to get some wins this season before the team collapses completely because of a loss of morale. The Wilson era is not only over, it never even got started.
Mike Z,you might want to rephrase your comment to we all hoped he could be.😂 I never for one moment had that thought. Watching him play against the Hobart School of music’s JV his final season at BYU I never saw anything that said NFL 1st round draft pick. Even the so called big throw he made at his pro day was a throw Sam Darnold made in a game against the 49ers to Braxton Berrios under great pressure to a covered receiver.
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Agreed Mike. RS is rapidly loosing the fan base, the media and his players. Players publicly talking back at his coaching staff is a sure sign of disrespect. You dis the assistant your dissing the HC!
David, I think we all will understand if you needed a few weeks off before writing about this dreck of a team.
I can't believe how fast we went from being on top of the world, thinking a super bowl was within our reach....to this. That was 3 short weeks ago, but it feels like a year. And the worst part is, all of a sudden, it looks like no one has any idea what they're doing. Not the coaches, not the front office, and definitely not the quarterback. It seemed like we had found some stability, didn't it? Suddenly everything looks like a very shaky mess...to the point that it seems like these issues run way deeper than just losing Rodgers.
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"If you're reading this. I don't know why." lol!!! Levity is a way to get through this for sure. I finally thought the days of watching a QB playing in the NFL and sighing loudly saying "it must be nice", were over.
Yes Estevan, keep our chins up.
As in, "why am I a Jets fan?" Because otherwise drinking heavily on Sunday afternoons would make me think I'm an alcoholic.
(from GGN during the Marshall/Decker 1k yds/10+ TD's each season)
It is extremely frustrating when the head coach and assume the GM just contine to support this QB. We all know they wont hang him out to dry in public - but you cant say in a public forum to the world "He gives us the best chance of winning". You just made yourself look like a idiot. There is a "paying' public of seasn ticket holders - a lot of us sat in the rain yesterday (whch doesnt really matter). Is this management group telling us we are going to 'punt' on the season 3 games in ? If you get bad food at a retuarant you wont go back. This is 2 years now (i'll throw out the first year) of this QB play. Putting all thier hopes on a QB without a backup was stupid. If im t he owner i am asking today - i have season ticket holders (and Joe Namath) up my butt and they are paying customers - WHAT ARE WE DOING ? For me - and i dont care its only 3 games in but the Coach and GM HAVE to go after this 4-13 campaign (12-16 wins in 3 years is EGNOUGH)
hey Steve!
a high note was that we actually chatted a bit on a call. Sorry I missed you, woulda been good to meet, shake and knock back a cold one together.
Bud, what you're saying, is a distinct possibility. I truly wish they don't get rid of JD, though - he's made some very good, excellent moves - but in this game if you have no solid OLine or good QB, it's gonna make everything look like shit.
Add to that, obvious deficiencies by the Coordinators which we've all noted here on TJW ( because as we know, TJW Rocks! ) and it makes for one shit Sunday afternoon.
Coming back to JD, I think one achilles heel aspect of him, he likes to swing for the fences on talent, but imho, doesn't know when to protect the plate, work the pitcher's count.
He could have traded the 2021 #2 pick, say to Cinci (5), Atl (6), Car (8) or prob the best option, Chicago (11) who went for Justin Fields in that draft - and reaped a ton of draft capital, and gone for guys like (below list, with pick they went on)
> Pitts - 4
> Chase - 5
> Waddle - 6
> Sewell - 7
> Surtain II - 9
> MICAH!!! - 12
Plus not trading up for AVT, our 23, 66 & 86 to Minn for their 14 - big price, good thing AVT is a very good player.
In 2020 draft he chose Becton (11) over Wirfs, who went #13 to Tampa.
In 2022 draft, JD hit the grand slam - Sauce, Garrett, JJ, Breece - and if they use him right, Ruckert.
And Clemons, come'on... dude is stud!
And in 2023 he swings for the fences again; choosing McDonald (14) over not getting an OT; choosing Tippmann (43) for his higher ceiling, over JMS who went (57) to the giants.
I think JD's big swings at the plate in 2022 - well, they speak for themselves.
I think his choices in 2023 - yeah, lots of potential, but I think we would have been better off aiming for an Anton Harrison, LT out of Oklahoma (them be some big-ass, corn-fed and Angus-Beefed up effin Giants - that's what Oklahoma OLine prospects always turn out as...).
Harrison went (27) to the Jags, is their starting LT - and doing a pretty fine job so far. I think there were trade candidates for the Jets this past draft in the 1st round with Seattle (20, who picked Jaxon Smith-Njigba fm Ohio State); Detroit @ 18, maybe even Baltimore @ 22 or Minn @ 23, who these latter two both picked good receivers.
in that make-believe scenario, I could see the Jets, @ 18, 20, 22 or 23, picking Harrison for our OL, plus more draft capital in the midrange 2nd to 3rd round this year, or maybe a 2 next year (since at the time we were expecting to send our 1 to GB for AR 65% plays...)
and if Seattle, Baltimore or Minnesota woulda had the 14th pick, then yeah, I see Jaxon easily going there to any of the three.
But as they say, if Frogs had handguns, birds wouldn't fuck with them, and neither will my dream of "what-if?" hold any liquid any more than my shot (or three) of Cuervo Reposado.
But yeah, I think '23 would have been a good time for JD to not take big cuts at the plate, gone for the single to advance the runner.
'side from that, bud - i know you're going to all the games - but if - IF - by chance you decide to not go to one, later in the year, let's get together at a local place between us, have a bite, knock back a couple a cold ones, and together stick pins into the voodoo dolls i'm making in Brich and Hackett's likenesses..
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Sounds great Ray - and agree with all you say too. Wont say much more or "The Jets Way" police wil be after me
The grass isn't always greener. Unfortunately, you're arguing your point by pointing to some idyllic backup quarterback, honestly, doesn't exist. If this quarterback existed, every team would have signed that guy. Additionally, going through ANOTHER new front office and coaching staff is an exercise in futility. Do you truly think that the next group of people they trot in is ever going to succeed, regardless of how they do, when the entire fan base hyperventilates at every turn? Can we, please, just skip the hyperbole? It's exhausting.
Look i stand by what i said and i will do that 365 days a year !. Teddy Bridgewater was out there and they could have signed him. If you want to blindly root for this mess ok then. However i an not going to get EXHAUSTED reading your cheap shot comments about what i what i feel. If you cant see that after 2 plus years this is a disaster and still have hope for this year then obviously you are not watching the games. - no way. I am tired of you taking personal shots at me whan i vent my opnion. Can we please just STOP - SHUT UP ! Stop readng what i write - that simple
Appreciate all your comments Steve. We can all disagree in the right way can't we, hell I know plenty have disagreed with me over the last 18 months lol
I'm with you on being exhausted with Zach, the excuses, watching another season just slip away...and I'm not paying thousands for season tickets. I get it, I'm as frustrated as hell, angry even. I can't blindly believe this coaching staff know better because the results on the field don't reflect some advanced knowledge. Cobb catching one pass in 44+ snaps, I mean where is the logic in not trying something else. I don't get it. Every week I'm losing faith in the organisation from top to bottom.
Thanks and totally agree we all can disagree the right way - especially me. Can't beleive there are 14 games to go ugh
I'm going to continue to point out the flaws in what you say, buddy. You hyperventilate about what happened in that game, and I'm probably going to point out where you're going over the top and where you're spot on. I don't see them as personal shots. If you want to discuss what happened, please do. That's what I'm here for
hey guys,
am going to inject in here - yes, you're right Dan, there's really no good options, and Wentz is... well... No. Bad influence, hear nothing good about him from the other locker rooms he's been a part of. For my part, I coulda rode with Minshew had JD the presence of mind to have gotten a quality NFL QB and not rely on AR-ZW-Boyd.
That does not excuse the fact that, as far as we know, Saleh has not only stood fast by saying that Zach is who he rides with - but as far as i can tell, there's been no action about getting another QB, and earlier rather than after the break.
At the rate we're going, when the Jets hit the break they'll be 1 and forever - and if they haven't gotten a QB before then, at that point in the season, what's the point? You get someone in week 7, that someone still has to learn up the offense, acclimate to the players... what would that take? Another 2-3 weeks? And meanwhile Zach is still having trouble?
Because with that plan, the only way I see Zach making the kind of progress that can translate into wins, is if the Offensive Line gets fixed up to be competent, and someone feeds Hackett a bunch of EX-LAX laced brownies on Gameday so he spends it sitting on the white porcelain god and not on the sidelines leaving our best players on the bench while riding with marginal (Uzomah, Cobb) players on the field.
In other words, Saleh looks like he's playing for yet. another. high. draft pick. Maybe he's not, but it looks like maybe he is.
I would've enjoyed Minshew. The guy seems really weird, which would've been fun to root for. Alas, he was gobbled up by the Colts and played pretty well on Sunday. The person who can fix all of this, at this point, is Hackett. He probably needs to earn every cent of that contract.
ZW sends Goo-Goo eyes at his receiver. Professional defenders know at once who to close in on.
Final play a prime example.