David, great material today. Love the Norwich story. In the Jets case, clearly fish rots from the top. It is time to boycott Woody and force him to sell the team. He is incompetent. The NFL is a single business with 32 divisions. They all share in the spoils. Other owners want Woody around because he is an easy win. Kraft runs the NFL so it is particularly true with him. He loves Woody and the huge fan base in NYC. Great TV ratings that are key to the overall business. As long as we go to games and watch, Woody stays. It’s time to shut him down. It’s the only solution.
Sorry David, I mentioned to you once that a career is something that you want to do, a job is something that you have to do.
Glenn’s atrocious handling of the Jets has turned the Jets Way into a job for you. Your frustration and lack of motivation is understandable.
I guess what you are now experiencing is what an obituary writer for a newspaper feels. Not really up lifting, not very motivating. Hopefully better times will eventually come. That will be a good thing.
Based on the last 3 weeks, Aaron Glenn has shown he hasn’t a clue what he is doing. That is a good thing. That will keep the base enraged.
Since Woody Johnson is oblivious to the fact that Glenn is clueless, that is also a good thing. The base stays enraged.
When Kotite’s second season was in off season mode, the fan base was in the same mental state as the present fan base is in today.
Back then, social media was in its infancy, the major source of Jet information was provided by newspapers ( beat writers and columnists) and publications like Pro Football Weekly, College and Pro Football.
There was always an implied thought in all those publications back then that Kotite would never survive season two. Hopefully Glenn doesn’t survive. That’s a good thing.
That was how Jet fans knew a change was coming to come.
That thought helped the base cope with Kotite’s second season.
A season that planted him in Jet lore as the second worst HC in Jet history. Sorry kiddies, Glenn has secured top spot for that dubious position.
In an announcement that barely caused a ripple even among Jet fans. HC “ I know what I’m doing” announced that the Jets had signed Brian Duker as DC. ???
What happened to accomplished DCs as Wink? Leonhard.
As bad as the last three weeks have been. How can any legitimate organization make such an underwhelming announcement.
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Brian be smart, rent, get a one year lease, don’t buy, let your family stay where they are presently living, save paying for moving expenses twice.
Thats a good thing.
But there is a caveat with Brian ‘s hiring. He is DC in name only, Coach “ I know what I’m doing” is going to be calling plays. That’s a good thing.
Aaron Glenn’s defensive rankings as the #Lions play caller
YPG, PPG
2024: 20th, 7th
2023: 23rd, 23rd
2022: 32nd, 30th
2021: 29th, 31st
It would appear that Glenn is going nowhere. Not a good thing.
The only way to survive 2026 is to hope it is as bad or worse than 2025. Worse is a good thing.
The Duker signing is the first negative step in the right direction. Nothing personal Brian, we don’t know a thing about you. We were expecting a more experienced DC
That’s a good thing.
It’s going to be an another wasted year, be prepared for the worst Jet fans, that’s NOT a good thing.
January 2026 to January 2027 is going to be one hell of a long off season.
Bobber, thanks. I mentioned Glynns defensive rankings yesterday but didn’t supply the details as well as you did today.
I later watched a video with Connor Rodgers and Jake Asman this was discussed at length. The numbers really tell the story. The Lions offense was high powered enough to carry them from being perennial losers to potential contenders. Only their defense held them back. When they hit on some free agents and draft picks Glynns defense showed improvement.
The parallels of Norwich are striking that bring a little clarity to our current Jet Drama. The lesson of Norwich is pressure ownership for progress, and bring flares. Learn from the fans of Norwich. Ownership around the world hate to pay off bad managers, forcing them to admit mistakes, but ownership needs to see reality, once again bring flares.
Bobber, thank you , for the stats on Glenn’ s performance as a DC, reminding us that Glenn is not a franchise changing DC.
Does AG have the right to change his mind and philosophy ? Sure, but he does look desperate and clueless, the stats reveal that Glenn as acting DC may only be marginally better than Wilkes.
I don’t know what Tannenbaum and Spielman saw in Glenn. Maybe he has a good line of BS. To me Tannenbaum was always a pencil pusher with no scouting experience. He probably stuck to his scouts scouting reports to make personnel decisions
Spielman, should have known better.
Glenn by himself has ruined Tannenbaums 33 whatever.
Mougey was definitely an easier hirer.
Again Woody in his continuing search for changing the wheel when it comes to hirer GMs and HCs probably fell for Glenn’s BS and is still continuing to believe it. He probably thinks that the fans would support Glenn during thick and thin because he played here.
Sorry Woody, I was at the “ Spike Game”, it doesn’t define Glenn as a player but it shows he is not perfect.
You are a disgrace as an owner
What’s next, billing for the 2027 season with immediate payment due March 31, 2026
Great story David ! All those years later finally. Probably similar or close to what’s going on with the Buffalo Sabres. They fired the GM finally and haven’t lost since.
The urgency for some us to turn this around due to age is second to none
Time to take a few days off clear the head of Jet nonsense
The Jet Press is reporting that the Jets are snooping around Murray from the Cardinals, all 5’10 of him, with a huge contract. Enough already with these short cut quarterback moves
Murray couldn’t get back starting after he got hurt because journeyman Brissett had beaten him out
😂 On a more positive note a lot of Jet fans are enjoying the stink being made by Bill Bilichek for being passed over as a first ballot “ Hall of Famer”
How funny people all of sudden forget all the bullshit the Pats did.
First off you think Raider beat guys would vote for him after the tuck rule call. A play the league abolished
Their First Super Bowl against the Rams. Rams practiced a play the day before the super bowl they never ever used it . Supposed close practice. The Pats defended it perfectly. A little spying
The nonsense with Mangini taping the Jets from the Jets side of the field
Inflate gate
The Pats at times running up the score.
That one year that Belichick was consecutively taking delay of game penalties against the Jets on a punt, laughing his ass off
How about how he handled press conferences sometimes disrespecting the writers.
All of a sudden respectable writers are pissed he didn’t get in, they want to know who voted what.
These are the same clowns who kept Klecko and Martin out. But wouldn’t reveal their vote.
That article about the mayor of Munchkin Land has been wandering around on Jet Press for over a month. Maybe the Jets con get a two-fer and draft my vato loco Diego Pavia at 16. Lolololol
That’s a move that would end my Jets fandom. And why would the Jets be paying him big money when his contract with the Cardinals was guaranteed. If the Cards unload him they are still on the hoof for the majority of his contract.
I've seen a lot of speculation that the Jets might do a Brock Osweiler-type trade, where they take on the full contract, but the Cardinals give the Jets a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for clearing their cap for them.
That a ridiculous idea! Why would even consider taking on that debt for a fugitive from the land of Oz ( munchkin) who isn’t committed to his playing career. The guy was benched for a career backup and couldn’t get his job back.
I totally agree! I'm just sharing what I've read elsewhere. Supposedly the motivation for the Jets would be getting an experienced QB who is still younger to serve as the bridge QB for a year or two, and adding more draft capital with which to rebuild the team. IMO it's totally not worth it to take on the cap hit and Murray's attitude which wouldn't fit Glenn's culture, just to add another 1st or 2nd round draft pick.
I think Duker was hired as Glenn's beard as DC and he'll probably work with the secondary, which is what he was doing at Miami. And as far as the OC candidates are concerned, just looking at relative merits, I think Ronald Curry would be a better fit than Wells. But it is of no matter, it's going to be cluster@#*@ no matter who gets hired.
David's personal story about his history supporting Norwich was excellent! While I don't see the same similarities between the coaching situations, and while I don't find the complaints about the Jets coaching situation quite as compelling as the majority, I loved reading about his relationship with another struggling team and experiencing the moment that your favorite team starts to turn things around! We, as "fans," live the ups and downs vicariously through a group of strangers. That connection is strong; so strong, in fact, that we spend untold hours scouring the internet for nuggets of information that might provide us with some tiny morsel of information that'll reassure our sport-addled minds.
With most things that we care about, we have access to all sorts of information that can help us better understand it. If you love working on cars, you can read a book or take a course or watch a video that explains the ins and outs of how your car runs. What is a carburetor? How do brake pads work? How does that engine propel my car forward? It's pretty damn complex, but it's explainable. There is a rhyme and reason for every individual part of that machine. Is your hobby learning about World War II? There are thousands upon thousands of books detailing that bit of world history from every conceivable angle. You can learn about it from the perspective of the Allies or the Axis. You can learn about all of the preceding events. You can learn about the battles. You can learn about the social causes. You can learn about the war's impact on history afterwards. There are several persepctives for even the smallest event, and each of those are meticulously recorded. It's all written down, reviewed, and it's likely that it'd take years for a single person to read every word written.
Sports fandom, on the other hand, is a different animal. We've had sports teams and professional sports teams for hundreds of years, but we've only recently started to devote resources to the analysis. Are there concrete causal relationships between decisions made by the leadership of a sports team and their success? Does it vary by sport? How much does talent matter? What about physical prowess? The emerging field of Sports Science attempts to scientifically answer some of these questions. Heck; there is another emerging field (emerging in the sense that it is quite young compared to the hundreds of years old field of psychology) in Sports Psychology that attempts to answer questions of leadership, work ethic, and relationship building. The process of gathering the kind of data referenced above is present, but in its infancy. Not only that, but the last couple of decades of information technology exploding have resulted in an information arms race at the same time that competitors are becoming ever more stingy with said information.
And then, there are us; the fans and supports of those competitors. Not only is there an emerging era of sport data to which we, largely, have no access, but with the way information has exploded, we're actually getting a ton of media coverage of our teams. We expect this coverage. We expect INFORMATION about our favorite players, coaches, and decision makers. The media environment is one more competitor in that environment I referenced above. They're competing against the teams themselves for information that they can share, with us. We're still, however, largely in the dark. We rely on the sports media apparatus to report information to us, to make educated guesses about what might be happening, and to make assumptions of our own about those educated guesses. We're miles down stream of the actual decisions trying to figure out what's happening at the headwaters. "Because that water in the river looks kinda yellow, that must mean that Aaron Glenn is up on the mountain at the river's headwaters taking a leak, which must mean that he just chugged one of Dan Campbell's Big Gulp sized coffees, which must mean that he was really thirsty, which must mean that he was also really tired, which must mean that he didn't sleep well last night and was also forgot to have a glass of water before bed....." That is the kind of sleuthing that we wind up doing. We make assumptions, based on assumptions, based on assumptions, based on educated guesses.
What I'm trying to do, in a rather long-winded way, is to say that we know very little about the day-to-day goings on at 1 Jets Drive. We don't know the process that took place in Aaron Glenn assembling last year's staff. We don't know the specific setup for how that staff functioned. We don't, really, understand how MOST staffs function. We don't know what makes a functional staff, let alone an unsuccessful staff versus a successful one. We don't know how that staff interacted with the players. We don't know what the expected interaction was versus what actually happened. We don't know how they reviewed this information at the end of the year. We don't know what aspects of each coach's performance was good, bad, or average. We don't know what responsibilities each coach handled and to what level each of those responsibilities was important. We don't know what leadership decided was the plan, moving forward, after their review. We don't know how drastically that has changed.
It sure sounds like we don't know much. What DO we know, though? Well; we know that Aaron Glenn held numerous press conferences where he said he knew what he was doing and that there was a plan. We know that he originally didn't want to call plays, and wanted to spend more time focusing on being the head-coach. We know that he was combative and argumentative with reporters. We know that he wanted to, in his first year, instill more accountability in the building (although we don't know all of the levels of accountability that were occurring). We know that whatever their plans were last season, ultimately, they failed. We know that Aaron Glenn wasn't happy with the overall execution of the offense and defense. We know that the leadership was quite interested in bringing in Wink Martindale to be the new defensive coordinator. We know that they had all but hired him after two interviews. We know that Aaron Glenn had recently changed his mind about that initial desire to not call plays. We know that Aaron Glenn was a factor in moving away from Martindale and opting to bring in a less experienced coordinator who had no experience calling plays but a lot of experience working with Glenn. We know that Engstrand was going to stay on. We know that leadership was going to take play-calling duties away from him. We know that leadership wanted to keep him around. We know that Engstrand and the Jets parted ways (we think this was due to the play-calling duties).
There, surely, is a lot of stuff we think, but it is mostly based on reporting and assumptions. Usually, it is based on an incomplete understanding of what is going on in the building. I think the way the Jets have handled this, from a public relations perspective, has been bad. I think the way they've handled this, as an employer recruiting new hires, has been awful (especially if it's true that they bailed on Martindale as he was building his staff). I don't know what their plan for the team and staff is, however, and I really don't know how well they will ultimately perform as a staff. I'm inclined to think that most of these guys in leadership have a detailed plan. Coaches don't usually make it this high without having spent a decade in an absurdly detail-oriented job. I'll reserve judgement regarding this team until they play more games. Glenn and his staff put an awful team on the field in most games last year. I'm not sure WHY that happened, but I have no reason to doubt they have a plan to fix that.
It’s important to remember that Duker was not part of the original eight candidates for DC. There has been no due diligence, just a simple Zoom interview, this seems like a panic move. It’s pretty easy to do 5 , 15 minute Zoom interviews for an OC or Passing Game Coordinator, but how serious were these interviews ? What are the chances that any of these candidates would come here ?
This flurry of activity was designed to deflect and obscure the fact that Glenn has made some very poor decisions in regards to staff building. We are being played, again.
Would agree that a legitimate interview would take a minimum of 45 minutes but the timing of these interviews indicates to me that these interviews were done for public relations purposes, deflecting from Glenn’s announcement of firing Engstrand, which created a significant backlash from fans. But I will say , that these are strong candidates this late in the process.
There is a public relations aspect to this charade, and the Jets are pretty poor at navigating that. I'm not sure what the Engstrand firing necessarily means. There are a lot of reasons it could've happened. Some are Glenn's fault. Some are Mougey's fault. Some are Engstrand's fault. No way of knowing what the truth is. Heck; maybe Engstrand decided that, actually, he didn't feel comfortable giving up play-calling duties. We truly have no idea.
I think it could have looked like Glenn gave the news to Engstrand about him working with an older guy as play-caller and he said WTF, I'm out of here. And I wouldn't blame him one bit. The stats tell the story. Engstrand's schemes stat-wise put him in the top ten in separation %, length of time the WR was open and the number yards the WR was ahead of the defender. They had all the full stats on Jet X and it was really telling. There's been noise that John Harbaugh might be interested in bringing him to the blue side of MetLife. The Jets could F up a free meal.
This was between Glenn and Engstrand. Glenn and Engstrand are friends. Glenn didn't want to fire Engstrand. He wanted to keep him on the staff as the OC in name, and Reich would have been an Offensive Assistant but calling the plays. Engstrand thought about it, then decided that he didn't want to do that. It was a mutual parting of the ways. Mougey had nothing to do with it imo.
What I meant is they they've done a poor job allowing any of this to be in the media. I didn't mean that Mougey did anything like making some decision unilaterally that resulted in Engstrand leaving. I mean that the process shouldn't have spilled beyond the confines of 1 Jets Drive. Also, I don't why Engstrand and the organization decided to part ways. The guess is that he didn't want to be effectively demoted, but I really don't know.
I actually think the Jets have been MUCH better in terms of keeping things in-house. With Saleh, things consistently leaked out. Now, we rarely know what's going on. That's the way good teams handle things (in house). There aren't all the leaks to the media and "sources" in the building leaking stuff out.
I disagree that we should have known whom they were going to interview for the DC position. Most of the fanbase (including me) doesn't have a clue who these position coaches are. We've never heard of them and have no idea how good/bad they may be. Neither the media nor the fanbase should be able to influcence Woody or the team on hiring decisions
Glenn is going to be the DC and call plays. Duker worked under Glenn for 2 years in Detroit, so Glenn knows Duker well and didn't need to do an in-person interview, especially since Duker wasn't going to be running the D. Glenn will be, and Duker will just be aiding Glenn in preparing and coaching the D.
The only thing I'd add, David, is that it's ok to take time off 😅 we pay to support you and your writing. You have provided us with far more information where we can sustain convos in the chat if needed. Take time off if needed. Skip days if needed.
I'm sorry, but I disagree. David wants to be a professional sportswriter and it's his job to come up with interesting articles even when he doesn't feel like it and the team he's covering sucks. That's part of the job. He's being paid to write about the Jets and other sports. If it's too great a burden for him to write about the Jets, he can stop.
I love David and his work, but you guys shouldn't encourage him to be unprofessional. I want to see him succeed and become one of the top sportswriters in the industry, not wind up getting a bad reputation, for allowing his feelings to prevent him from doing his job, and wind up hurting, or worse, losing his career. It's a small world, and with the internet, it's even smaller. Reputations are made and lost on the internet. Encouraging David to take days off and not write, is not doing him any favors or helping him. It's one thing when we're talking about vacation and holidays, or when he's too sick to write. It's quite another to choose not to write just because he's unhappy with the Jets. As a professional, he needs to get over that.
I love the story David, the parallels are eerie. Does this Belgian guy know anything about American football ? LOLOL All we need now is an AI meme showing Oliver Hardy next to Glenn, telling him "Another fine mess you've gotten us into !" It would be humorous if it wasn't so pathetic. I know it's hard to take a professional tone on the subject when you are a die-hard fan of that subject. Just keep being who you are, that's what all of us want.
According to what I read last night, Wink had already assembled a staff. I didn't really want Wink as the DC, but I'll bet that staff would be better than anything Glenn can put together.
I think the list of OC Candidates is credible. I also think that it's more than just friends of Glenn and satisfying the Rooney rule. I may be mistaken, but I think all of these candidates are unemployed at the moment. Even though they're being interviewed for the OC position, Glenn could wind up hiring Reich as the OC, Roman as the run game coordinator, Curry as the QB Coach, Wells as the TE Coach, and Bevell as the Passing Game Coordinator. That could be a quality, veteran offensive CS. I wouldn't want Roman as the OC as his offense is dated, but he still is a very good run game coordinator. Wells has gotten a couple of other interviews for OC. They may have been just to satisfy the Rooney rule, but supposedly the Cowboys' TEs have played very well since he's been their TE Coach.
They aren't hiring all of those guys as position coaches that they've interviewed for the coordinator spot. It's more they only hire two, or more likely one, of them. Wells and Curry aren't likely to make a lateral move onto a less stable team. Heck; Curry is likely to get a bit of a promotion since the Bills promoted his offensive coordinator (Joe Brady). Similarly for Lunda Wells, I can't see him coming to be the new tight ends coach on a brand new staff when he's been with the Cowboys for six years and is currently getting coordinator interviews. It's totally possible either of those guys would be open to a partnership with a more senior offensive mind (like Roman, Bevell or Reich), but they aren't going to come be a position coach. It's technically a demotion for them.
I know, I was just having some fun and dreaming a little bit. It's my way of escaping from the present Jets reality.
Aren't Bevell and Roman unemployed at the present? If so, if they helped Reich develop a top 15-20 offense even with a crap FA veteran, that could open some doors for them next year. It's better to stay working than sit at home.
Looking at the list of potential OC’s, Greg Roman stands out as the most experienced. If the Jets want to be a run first offense, Roman’s work with the Ravens could make him an Ideal candidate. I think you need two, ( OC & Passing Game Coordinator) so pairing Reich with Roman , IMO, is better than Engstrand & Turner.
I disagree. Roman would be a great Run Game Coordinator, but his offense is dated and stale, so he shouldn't be the OC. Reich should be the OC. Reich and Roman would definitely be better than Engstrand and Turner. Bevell could be the Passing Coordinator.
I think it's an "either/or" scenario when it comes to Frank Reich and Mark Roman. They're both older experienced fellas who, likely, aren't trying to come in and share the offensive coordinator role. I could certainly see a combination of Reich or Roman with Curry or Wells. Wells and Curry, actually, look like they each have potential. I think one of the problems with teams hiring young up-and-coming offensive coordinators is that it's a huge risk. They're taking a risk on somebody who, largely, isn't experienced. How do you hit on the next Mike McDonald, Sean McVay, etc, without striking out with a failed experiment like Mike LaFleur or Tanner Engstrand? I think a possible way to accomplish that is hiring the up-and-coming offensive talent in a slightly less senior role (like passing game coordinator) and pairing him with a more senior offensive mind who is close to retirement. It's certainly a half measure, but it's possible something like that could work.
David, great material today. Love the Norwich story. In the Jets case, clearly fish rots from the top. It is time to boycott Woody and force him to sell the team. He is incompetent. The NFL is a single business with 32 divisions. They all share in the spoils. Other owners want Woody around because he is an easy win. Kraft runs the NFL so it is particularly true with him. He loves Woody and the huge fan base in NYC. Great TV ratings that are key to the overall business. As long as we go to games and watch, Woody stays. It’s time to shut him down. It’s the only solution.
Sorry David, I mentioned to you once that a career is something that you want to do, a job is something that you have to do.
Glenn’s atrocious handling of the Jets has turned the Jets Way into a job for you. Your frustration and lack of motivation is understandable.
I guess what you are now experiencing is what an obituary writer for a newspaper feels. Not really up lifting, not very motivating. Hopefully better times will eventually come. That will be a good thing.
Based on the last 3 weeks, Aaron Glenn has shown he hasn’t a clue what he is doing. That is a good thing. That will keep the base enraged.
Since Woody Johnson is oblivious to the fact that Glenn is clueless, that is also a good thing. The base stays enraged.
When Kotite’s second season was in off season mode, the fan base was in the same mental state as the present fan base is in today.
Back then, social media was in its infancy, the major source of Jet information was provided by newspapers ( beat writers and columnists) and publications like Pro Football Weekly, College and Pro Football.
There was always an implied thought in all those publications back then that Kotite would never survive season two. Hopefully Glenn doesn’t survive. That’s a good thing.
That was how Jet fans knew a change was coming to come.
That thought helped the base cope with Kotite’s second season.
A season that planted him in Jet lore as the second worst HC in Jet history. Sorry kiddies, Glenn has secured top spot for that dubious position.
In an announcement that barely caused a ripple even among Jet fans. HC “ I know what I’m doing” announced that the Jets had signed Brian Duker as DC. ???
What happened to accomplished DCs as Wink? Leonhard.
As bad as the last three weeks have been. How can any legitimate organization make such an underwhelming announcement.
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Brian be smart, rent, get a one year lease, don’t buy, let your family stay where they are presently living, save paying for moving expenses twice.
Thats a good thing.
But there is a caveat with Brian ‘s hiring. He is DC in name only, Coach “ I know what I’m doing” is going to be calling plays. That’s a good thing.
Aaron Glenn’s defensive rankings as the #Lions play caller
YPG, PPG
2024: 20th, 7th
2023: 23rd, 23rd
2022: 32nd, 30th
2021: 29th, 31st
It would appear that Glenn is going nowhere. Not a good thing.
The only way to survive 2026 is to hope it is as bad or worse than 2025. Worse is a good thing.
The Duker signing is the first negative step in the right direction. Nothing personal Brian, we don’t know a thing about you. We were expecting a more experienced DC
That’s a good thing.
It’s going to be an another wasted year, be prepared for the worst Jet fans, that’s NOT a good thing.
January 2026 to January 2027 is going to be one hell of a long off season.
Bobber, thanks. I mentioned Glynns defensive rankings yesterday but didn’t supply the details as well as you did today.
I later watched a video with Connor Rodgers and Jake Asman this was discussed at length. The numbers really tell the story. The Lions offense was high powered enough to carry them from being perennial losers to potential contenders. Only their defense held them back. When they hit on some free agents and draft picks Glynns defense showed improvement.
He was lucky that the Bear HC was the Lion’s OC,. They were always in high scoring shoot outs back then.
More and more by his actions this past season, he is nowhere near the NFL coach that people thought he could be
The parallels of Norwich are striking that bring a little clarity to our current Jet Drama. The lesson of Norwich is pressure ownership for progress, and bring flares. Learn from the fans of Norwich. Ownership around the world hate to pay off bad managers, forcing them to admit mistakes, but ownership needs to see reality, once again bring flares.
Bobber, thank you , for the stats on Glenn’ s performance as a DC, reminding us that Glenn is not a franchise changing DC.
Does AG have the right to change his mind and philosophy ? Sure, but he does look desperate and clueless, the stats reveal that Glenn as acting DC may only be marginally better than Wilkes.
I don’t know what Tannenbaum and Spielman saw in Glenn. Maybe he has a good line of BS. To me Tannenbaum was always a pencil pusher with no scouting experience. He probably stuck to his scouts scouting reports to make personnel decisions
Spielman, should have known better.
Glenn by himself has ruined Tannenbaums 33 whatever.
Mougey was definitely an easier hirer.
Again Woody in his continuing search for changing the wheel when it comes to hirer GMs and HCs probably fell for Glenn’s BS and is still continuing to believe it. He probably thinks that the fans would support Glenn during thick and thin because he played here.
Sorry Woody, I was at the “ Spike Game”, it doesn’t define Glenn as a player but it shows he is not perfect.
You are a disgrace as an owner
What’s next, billing for the 2027 season with immediate payment due March 31, 2026
Great story David ! All those years later finally. Probably similar or close to what’s going on with the Buffalo Sabres. They fired the GM finally and haven’t lost since.
The urgency for some us to turn this around due to age is second to none
Time to take a few days off clear the head of Jet nonsense
Age wise, I was 48 during Kotite’s time, I could patiently wait.
Being 77, a Super Bowl would be the ultimate bucket list wish
Playoffs, can I hold on that long
7 wins, maybe in 2028
Here this will enthuse everyone.
The Jet Press is reporting that the Jets are snooping around Murray from the Cardinals, all 5’10 of him, with a huge contract. Enough already with these short cut quarterback moves
Murray couldn’t get back starting after he got hurt because journeyman Brissett had beaten him out
😂 On a more positive note a lot of Jet fans are enjoying the stink being made by Bill Bilichek for being passed over as a first ballot “ Hall of Famer”
How funny people all of sudden forget all the bullshit the Pats did.
First off you think Raider beat guys would vote for him after the tuck rule call. A play the league abolished
Their First Super Bowl against the Rams. Rams practiced a play the day before the super bowl they never ever used it . Supposed close practice. The Pats defended it perfectly. A little spying
The nonsense with Mangini taping the Jets from the Jets side of the field
Inflate gate
The Pats at times running up the score.
That one year that Belichick was consecutively taking delay of game penalties against the Jets on a punt, laughing his ass off
How about how he handled press conferences sometimes disrespecting the writers.
All of a sudden respectable writers are pissed he didn’t get in, they want to know who voted what.
These are the same clowns who kept Klecko and Martin out. But wouldn’t reveal their vote.
Cry me a freaking river, you reap what you sow.
It’s been fun seeing his reaction 😂
I bet his girlfriend breaks his chops about it before he nods off for the evening.
That article about the mayor of Munchkin Land has been wandering around on Jet Press for over a month. Maybe the Jets con get a two-fer and draft my vato loco Diego Pavia at 16. Lolololol
LOL! Why not draft both Pavia and Chambliss, and they can rotate the three shrimps at QB! LOL
That’s a move that would end my Jets fandom. And why would the Jets be paying him big money when his contract with the Cardinals was guaranteed. If the Cards unload him they are still on the hoof for the majority of his contract.
I've seen a lot of speculation that the Jets might do a Brock Osweiler-type trade, where they take on the full contract, but the Cardinals give the Jets a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for clearing their cap for them.
I've seen that too, and I actually thought it was a prank story, because it is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
That a ridiculous idea! Why would even consider taking on that debt for a fugitive from the land of Oz ( munchkin) who isn’t committed to his playing career. The guy was benched for a career backup and couldn’t get his job back.
I totally agree! I'm just sharing what I've read elsewhere. Supposedly the motivation for the Jets would be getting an experienced QB who is still younger to serve as the bridge QB for a year or two, and adding more draft capital with which to rebuild the team. IMO it's totally not worth it to take on the cap hit and Murray's attitude which wouldn't fit Glenn's culture, just to add another 1st or 2nd round draft pick.
As of this weekend, Wink was a shoe in for DC.
But Coach “ I know what I am doing” hired Duker
Frank Reich hasn’t a shot, let’s go with the biggest unknown Lunda Wells for OC
Go Canaries
I think Duker was hired as Glenn's beard as DC and he'll probably work with the secondary, which is what he was doing at Miami. And as far as the OC candidates are concerned, just looking at relative merits, I think Ronald Curry would be a better fit than Wells. But it is of no matter, it's going to be cluster@#*@ no matter who gets hired.
I love the Norwich story.
David's personal story about his history supporting Norwich was excellent! While I don't see the same similarities between the coaching situations, and while I don't find the complaints about the Jets coaching situation quite as compelling as the majority, I loved reading about his relationship with another struggling team and experiencing the moment that your favorite team starts to turn things around! We, as "fans," live the ups and downs vicariously through a group of strangers. That connection is strong; so strong, in fact, that we spend untold hours scouring the internet for nuggets of information that might provide us with some tiny morsel of information that'll reassure our sport-addled minds.
With most things that we care about, we have access to all sorts of information that can help us better understand it. If you love working on cars, you can read a book or take a course or watch a video that explains the ins and outs of how your car runs. What is a carburetor? How do brake pads work? How does that engine propel my car forward? It's pretty damn complex, but it's explainable. There is a rhyme and reason for every individual part of that machine. Is your hobby learning about World War II? There are thousands upon thousands of books detailing that bit of world history from every conceivable angle. You can learn about it from the perspective of the Allies or the Axis. You can learn about all of the preceding events. You can learn about the battles. You can learn about the social causes. You can learn about the war's impact on history afterwards. There are several persepctives for even the smallest event, and each of those are meticulously recorded. It's all written down, reviewed, and it's likely that it'd take years for a single person to read every word written.
Sports fandom, on the other hand, is a different animal. We've had sports teams and professional sports teams for hundreds of years, but we've only recently started to devote resources to the analysis. Are there concrete causal relationships between decisions made by the leadership of a sports team and their success? Does it vary by sport? How much does talent matter? What about physical prowess? The emerging field of Sports Science attempts to scientifically answer some of these questions. Heck; there is another emerging field (emerging in the sense that it is quite young compared to the hundreds of years old field of psychology) in Sports Psychology that attempts to answer questions of leadership, work ethic, and relationship building. The process of gathering the kind of data referenced above is present, but in its infancy. Not only that, but the last couple of decades of information technology exploding have resulted in an information arms race at the same time that competitors are becoming ever more stingy with said information.
And then, there are us; the fans and supports of those competitors. Not only is there an emerging era of sport data to which we, largely, have no access, but with the way information has exploded, we're actually getting a ton of media coverage of our teams. We expect this coverage. We expect INFORMATION about our favorite players, coaches, and decision makers. The media environment is one more competitor in that environment I referenced above. They're competing against the teams themselves for information that they can share, with us. We're still, however, largely in the dark. We rely on the sports media apparatus to report information to us, to make educated guesses about what might be happening, and to make assumptions of our own about those educated guesses. We're miles down stream of the actual decisions trying to figure out what's happening at the headwaters. "Because that water in the river looks kinda yellow, that must mean that Aaron Glenn is up on the mountain at the river's headwaters taking a leak, which must mean that he just chugged one of Dan Campbell's Big Gulp sized coffees, which must mean that he was really thirsty, which must mean that he was also really tired, which must mean that he didn't sleep well last night and was also forgot to have a glass of water before bed....." That is the kind of sleuthing that we wind up doing. We make assumptions, based on assumptions, based on assumptions, based on educated guesses.
What I'm trying to do, in a rather long-winded way, is to say that we know very little about the day-to-day goings on at 1 Jets Drive. We don't know the process that took place in Aaron Glenn assembling last year's staff. We don't know the specific setup for how that staff functioned. We don't, really, understand how MOST staffs function. We don't know what makes a functional staff, let alone an unsuccessful staff versus a successful one. We don't know how that staff interacted with the players. We don't know what the expected interaction was versus what actually happened. We don't know how they reviewed this information at the end of the year. We don't know what aspects of each coach's performance was good, bad, or average. We don't know what responsibilities each coach handled and to what level each of those responsibilities was important. We don't know what leadership decided was the plan, moving forward, after their review. We don't know how drastically that has changed.
It sure sounds like we don't know much. What DO we know, though? Well; we know that Aaron Glenn held numerous press conferences where he said he knew what he was doing and that there was a plan. We know that he originally didn't want to call plays, and wanted to spend more time focusing on being the head-coach. We know that he was combative and argumentative with reporters. We know that he wanted to, in his first year, instill more accountability in the building (although we don't know all of the levels of accountability that were occurring). We know that whatever their plans were last season, ultimately, they failed. We know that Aaron Glenn wasn't happy with the overall execution of the offense and defense. We know that the leadership was quite interested in bringing in Wink Martindale to be the new defensive coordinator. We know that they had all but hired him after two interviews. We know that Aaron Glenn had recently changed his mind about that initial desire to not call plays. We know that Aaron Glenn was a factor in moving away from Martindale and opting to bring in a less experienced coordinator who had no experience calling plays but a lot of experience working with Glenn. We know that Engstrand was going to stay on. We know that leadership was going to take play-calling duties away from him. We know that leadership wanted to keep him around. We know that Engstrand and the Jets parted ways (we think this was due to the play-calling duties).
There, surely, is a lot of stuff we think, but it is mostly based on reporting and assumptions. Usually, it is based on an incomplete understanding of what is going on in the building. I think the way the Jets have handled this, from a public relations perspective, has been bad. I think the way they've handled this, as an employer recruiting new hires, has been awful (especially if it's true that they bailed on Martindale as he was building his staff). I don't know what their plan for the team and staff is, however, and I really don't know how well they will ultimately perform as a staff. I'm inclined to think that most of these guys in leadership have a detailed plan. Coaches don't usually make it this high without having spent a decade in an absurdly detail-oriented job. I'll reserve judgement regarding this team until they play more games. Glenn and his staff put an awful team on the field in most games last year. I'm not sure WHY that happened, but I have no reason to doubt they have a plan to fix that.
It’s important to remember that Duker was not part of the original eight candidates for DC. There has been no due diligence, just a simple Zoom interview, this seems like a panic move. It’s pretty easy to do 5 , 15 minute Zoom interviews for an OC or Passing Game Coordinator, but how serious were these interviews ? What are the chances that any of these candidates would come here ?
This flurry of activity was designed to deflect and obscure the fact that Glenn has made some very poor decisions in regards to staff building. We are being played, again.
Not a chance these were 5-15 minute interviews. These would've been 45 minutes to an hour long.
Would agree that a legitimate interview would take a minimum of 45 minutes but the timing of these interviews indicates to me that these interviews were done for public relations purposes, deflecting from Glenn’s announcement of firing Engstrand, which created a significant backlash from fans. But I will say , that these are strong candidates this late in the process.
There is a public relations aspect to this charade, and the Jets are pretty poor at navigating that. I'm not sure what the Engstrand firing necessarily means. There are a lot of reasons it could've happened. Some are Glenn's fault. Some are Mougey's fault. Some are Engstrand's fault. No way of knowing what the truth is. Heck; maybe Engstrand decided that, actually, he didn't feel comfortable giving up play-calling duties. We truly have no idea.
I think it could have looked like Glenn gave the news to Engstrand about him working with an older guy as play-caller and he said WTF, I'm out of here. And I wouldn't blame him one bit. The stats tell the story. Engstrand's schemes stat-wise put him in the top ten in separation %, length of time the WR was open and the number yards the WR was ahead of the defender. They had all the full stats on Jet X and it was really telling. There's been noise that John Harbaugh might be interested in bringing him to the blue side of MetLife. The Jets could F up a free meal.
How is it Mougey's fault?
This was between Glenn and Engstrand. Glenn and Engstrand are friends. Glenn didn't want to fire Engstrand. He wanted to keep him on the staff as the OC in name, and Reich would have been an Offensive Assistant but calling the plays. Engstrand thought about it, then decided that he didn't want to do that. It was a mutual parting of the ways. Mougey had nothing to do with it imo.
What I meant is they they've done a poor job allowing any of this to be in the media. I didn't mean that Mougey did anything like making some decision unilaterally that resulted in Engstrand leaving. I mean that the process shouldn't have spilled beyond the confines of 1 Jets Drive. Also, I don't why Engstrand and the organization decided to part ways. The guess is that he didn't want to be effectively demoted, but I really don't know.
I actually think the Jets have been MUCH better in terms of keeping things in-house. With Saleh, things consistently leaked out. Now, we rarely know what's going on. That's the way good teams handle things (in house). There aren't all the leaks to the media and "sources" in the building leaking stuff out.
I disagree that we should have known whom they were going to interview for the DC position. Most of the fanbase (including me) doesn't have a clue who these position coaches are. We've never heard of them and have no idea how good/bad they may be. Neither the media nor the fanbase should be able to influcence Woody or the team on hiring decisions
As always, the voice of reason, thank you
Glenn is going to be the DC and call plays. Duker worked under Glenn for 2 years in Detroit, so Glenn knows Duker well and didn't need to do an in-person interview, especially since Duker wasn't going to be running the D. Glenn will be, and Duker will just be aiding Glenn in preparing and coaching the D.
The only thing I'd add, David, is that it's ok to take time off 😅 we pay to support you and your writing. You have provided us with far more information where we can sustain convos in the chat if needed. Take time off if needed. Skip days if needed.
I'm sorry, but I disagree. David wants to be a professional sportswriter and it's his job to come up with interesting articles even when he doesn't feel like it and the team he's covering sucks. That's part of the job. He's being paid to write about the Jets and other sports. If it's too great a burden for him to write about the Jets, he can stop.
I love David and his work, but you guys shouldn't encourage him to be unprofessional. I want to see him succeed and become one of the top sportswriters in the industry, not wind up getting a bad reputation, for allowing his feelings to prevent him from doing his job, and wind up hurting, or worse, losing his career. It's a small world, and with the internet, it's even smaller. Reputations are made and lost on the internet. Encouraging David to take days off and not write, is not doing him any favors or helping him. It's one thing when we're talking about vacation and holidays, or when he's too sick to write. It's quite another to choose not to write just because he's unhappy with the Jets. As a professional, he needs to get over that.
Can the Jets be relegated?
Relegation is the best concept in sports - it should be implemented everywhere!
I love the story David, the parallels are eerie. Does this Belgian guy know anything about American football ? LOLOL All we need now is an AI meme showing Oliver Hardy next to Glenn, telling him "Another fine mess you've gotten us into !" It would be humorous if it wasn't so pathetic. I know it's hard to take a professional tone on the subject when you are a die-hard fan of that subject. Just keep being who you are, that's what all of us want.
According to what I read last night, Wink had already assembled a staff. I didn't really want Wink as the DC, but I'll bet that staff would be better than anything Glenn can put together.
I think the list of OC Candidates is credible. I also think that it's more than just friends of Glenn and satisfying the Rooney rule. I may be mistaken, but I think all of these candidates are unemployed at the moment. Even though they're being interviewed for the OC position, Glenn could wind up hiring Reich as the OC, Roman as the run game coordinator, Curry as the QB Coach, Wells as the TE Coach, and Bevell as the Passing Game Coordinator. That could be a quality, veteran offensive CS. I wouldn't want Roman as the OC as his offense is dated, but he still is a very good run game coordinator. Wells has gotten a couple of other interviews for OC. They may have been just to satisfy the Rooney rule, but supposedly the Cowboys' TEs have played very well since he's been their TE Coach.
They aren't hiring all of those guys as position coaches that they've interviewed for the coordinator spot. It's more they only hire two, or more likely one, of them. Wells and Curry aren't likely to make a lateral move onto a less stable team. Heck; Curry is likely to get a bit of a promotion since the Bills promoted his offensive coordinator (Joe Brady). Similarly for Lunda Wells, I can't see him coming to be the new tight ends coach on a brand new staff when he's been with the Cowboys for six years and is currently getting coordinator interviews. It's totally possible either of those guys would be open to a partnership with a more senior offensive mind (like Roman, Bevell or Reich), but they aren't going to come be a position coach. It's technically a demotion for them.
I know, I was just having some fun and dreaming a little bit. It's my way of escaping from the present Jets reality.
Aren't Bevell and Roman unemployed at the present? If so, if they helped Reich develop a top 15-20 offense even with a crap FA veteran, that could open some doors for them next year. It's better to stay working than sit at home.
We also don't know who Brady will retain.
Escape the dredgery of a consistently losing team. Yes to this
Always making assumptions on sketchy data from questionable sources, and I get upset over it.
Looking at the list of potential OC’s, Greg Roman stands out as the most experienced. If the Jets want to be a run first offense, Roman’s work with the Ravens could make him an Ideal candidate. I think you need two, ( OC & Passing Game Coordinator) so pairing Reich with Roman , IMO, is better than Engstrand & Turner.
I disagree. Roman would be a great Run Game Coordinator, but his offense is dated and stale, so he shouldn't be the OC. Reich should be the OC. Reich and Roman would definitely be better than Engstrand and Turner. Bevell could be the Passing Coordinator.
I think it's an "either/or" scenario when it comes to Frank Reich and Mark Roman. They're both older experienced fellas who, likely, aren't trying to come in and share the offensive coordinator role. I could certainly see a combination of Reich or Roman with Curry or Wells. Wells and Curry, actually, look like they each have potential. I think one of the problems with teams hiring young up-and-coming offensive coordinators is that it's a huge risk. They're taking a risk on somebody who, largely, isn't experienced. How do you hit on the next Mike McDonald, Sean McVay, etc, without striking out with a failed experiment like Mike LaFleur or Tanner Engstrand? I think a possible way to accomplish that is hiring the up-and-coming offensive talent in a slightly less senior role (like passing game coordinator) and pairing him with a more senior offensive mind who is close to retirement. It's certainly a half measure, but it's possible something like that could work.