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David Wyatt-Hupton's avatar

Just so you guys know. With OTA's starting today I'm going to do a newsletter on Thursday and Friday this week instead of the Wednesday/Friday as usual

Bobber's avatar

Today is Memorial Day in the USA, unfortunately many people have no clue what Memorial Day is about or what is the true meaning of Memorial Day.

Memorial Day is an American holiday that honors all American soldiers that lost their lives fighting for their country.

In the United Kingdom, the equivalent of Memorial Day is Remembrance Day, which is celebrated on November 11th each year. It commemorates the armistice that ended World War I, and also honors all those who have died in war. While Memorial Day specifically honors those who died serving in the U.S. military, Remembrance Day is a more general remembrance of all those who have died in service, regardless of conflict.

Ironically, November 11th in the USA is celebrated as Veterans Day, which at one time was called Armistice Day.

To me, Memorial Day is a very sad, melancholy day.

I graduated from a small, New Jersey, regional Catholic high school in 1966.

We had a graduating class of 72.

We had three classmates killed in Vietnam. We also loss 2 other classmates due to being stationed there. One became a heroin addict there, dying of an overdose after returning home.

The other classmate, an USAF mechanic loaded agent orange canisters onto aircraft to defoliate the jungles. Handlers of agent orange have high instances of Parkinsons and Bladder cancer. My classmate died from bladder cancer.

Sorry to be so winded on the subject of Memorial Day on a NFL football website, but it got me thinking of how many NFL players loss their lives fighting for their country.

World War II took 14 players from us.

Mike Basca, Eagles

Charlie Behan, Lions,Posthumously awarded the Navy Cross.

Harry Benson, Eagles

Keith Birlem, Redskins

Al Blozis, Giants

Young Bussey, Bears

Howard “Smiley “ Johnson, Packers

Alex Ketzko, Lions

Jack Lummus, Giants Posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

Dave Schreiner, Lions

Len Supulski, Eagles

Don Wemple, Brooklyn Dodgers

Chet Wetterlund, Lions

Waddy Young, Brooklyn Dodgers

Not a typo, The Brooklyn Dodgers played from 1930 until 1943, after moving to a few cities and name changes eventually settled in Baltimore, the beginning of the Colts in 1953.

Vietnam took from us

Bob Kalsu, Buffalo

Don Steinbrunner, Browns

And of course we all know about

Pat Tillman, Cardinals, in Afghanistan

They say there is a time and a place for everything.

I guess now is the time ( Memorial Day) to honor our NFL dead.

To all of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, we honor you and thank you.

David Wyatt-Hupton's avatar

Very well said Bobber.

I have to admit to my own ignorance on the names you shared (well most) but as a history graduate it's certainly piqued my interest, especially around Jack Lummus at Iwo Jima, WW2 has always been a particular interest, so thanks for sharing. Will give me plenty of reading over this bank holiday Monday.

Bobber's avatar

The U.S. Marines had 82 Congressional Medal of Honors recipients during World War II.

22 at Iwo Jima alone, that’s were Jack Lummus, Giants, a Medal of Honor recipient perished.

5 Navel corpsmen were recipients, 2 posthumously.

I just read something this weekend that whenever a Medal of Honors recipient enters a room, a barrack, anything, all military personnel must stand at attention and salute them, that includes Generals.

Sgt. John Basilone of New Jersey, received his Medal of Honor on Guadalcanal. He manned a machine gun for two days stopping a Japanese onslaught.

They say after all was said and done, he killed 200 Japanese.

He was pulled state side to travel the U.S. and promote people to buy war bonds. He could have stayed stateside but asked to be on the front.

He died on the first day of the invasion of Iwo Jima, earning a Navy Cross, the second highest award after the Medal of Honor.

Sgt. Basilone’s life is chronicled in the HBO miniseries “ The Pacific”

JetOrange's avatar

A day of reflection

john bilardello's avatar

Thank you Bobber

Jeff Henthorn's avatar

My experiences were similar to yours, HS class 67' in NY near the NJ border and had classmates die or wounded in Viet Nam and from drugs.

One Navy addition to your Medal of Honor list. My father was on the submarine USS Growler for the first four patrols (transferred for fighting). He and his mom faked his documents as he was 16. On the 4th patrol, the boat attempted a surface attack in the fog. The Japanese ship the Hayasaki reversed engines. Too close for torpedoes to arm. Each captain maneuvered trying to ram the other. The sub succeeded and rammed the ship (about 1,000 tons). Both ship and boat were badly damaged. The conning tower was raked with machine gun fire, two killed and others wounded. Only the Captain remained above, and he was wounded. Over the intercom he ordered "take her down" to the executive officer. When the sub resurfaced 45 minutes later the ship, dead sailors and the captain were gone. The sub had a crushed bow, 40 holes in the conning tower, shot up communication equipment, could no longer dive, and had a top speed of 3-4 knots. The overdue and presumed lost sub was able to slowly return to port in Australia.

Captain Howard Gilmore was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for his bravery with his selfless action.

The Growler was later lost in August 1944 from depth charge attacks while leading a wolfpack in the seas around the Philippines. The Growler joined 51 other lost US WWII submarines on "Eternal Patrol".

Bobber's avatar

Excellent post, I went to Don Bosco Tech in Paterson, not the football factory Don Bosco Prep in Ramsey

Where did you go

Jeff Henthorn's avatar

Tappan Zee High School on Rockland County NY with less than 200 in the senior class.

Dan's avatar

Is a discussion of memorial days history really complete without mentioning that it came after the civil war and helped unite north and south again after reconstruction? I think not! Anyway this is a jets blog onto another lost cause...

JetOrange's avatar

Josh Myers is a below average starting Center, who is a former late second round pick, could have some upside, and is relatively cheap. Gives you great depth at Center, but doesn’t seem to play Guard, has more starting experience than Tippman , great one year prove it acquisition . Couple of questions.

Is Tippman a better Guard than Center ? Certainly don’t know, but both of the Guards, Simpson & AVT are Free Agents in 2026, with a replacement cost of about 15 million per. If Myers has a good year , you could lock him up for 3 years 20 million, with Tippman still on his rookie deal.

Next question, does Myers with his experience improve the overall Chemistry of the Offensive Line ? Does he make better line calls. Does he make Fields more comfortable ? For AG, this is about team rather than a collection of players.

Finally, what is the coaching value of openly challenging one of your better players ? What message does that send to every man on that 90 man Squad ?

Bobber's avatar

I think that after the 14 playoff less seasons, the latest Jet debacle, the Rodgers acquisition and the Jets almost complete house clearing of anybody who had an office in the Jet complex, that not showing up for any type of organized team practice would be a complete folly or career wrecker.

Based on what is being said by Glenn, it is possible we will learn quickly how bad of a COACHING staff the Jets had under Saleh’s hand picked staff. Yes, we all know about Ulbrich,Hackett and Carter but who else was just as bad or ill equipped for the coaching position they held.

I don’t think being your best friend’s brother is a hiring qualification.

One story line that seem to vaporize as fast as Saleh’s Jet HC employment was the fact that the Jets were never prepared to play 60 minutes of quality football, their first quarters under Saleh were abysmal at best, it seemed they woke up during the second half of the second quarter.

The tortoise in the Tortoises and the Hare fable was a quicker starter.

Let’s not forget, the Jets almost always lost after a bye week. It appeared that the team wasn’t ever ready.

So yes, if this franchise is ever going to be turned around, not only must the players be 100% all in, so does this coaching staff which is an unknown factor.

I guess we will learn quickly if Glenn not only talks the talk but he walks the walk.

All gas, no brakes has been driven off of a cliff.

Ron Alexander's avatar

Well done sir. Memorial Day is one of my favorite days of the year! My dad came to the states from Ireland in 1936. Returned to Europe a day after Germany invaded Poland. Ended up as a RAF navigator in Lancaster bomber. Participated in well over a 100 missions. Made it back to the states following the war but unfortunately passed away just after my 5th birthday so I never got the chance to pick his brain on what it was like for an Irishman to fly with a crew of Englishman😂🍺🥃

Craig Collins's avatar

Great post, Bobber! Yes, it's a solemn day here or should be. Sadly, too many Americans think of it as just a holiday to take a long weekend trip or have a cookout and celebrate the figurative beginning of the summer season.

This Veteran's Day is especially poignant for me and many other Americans with what is going on in our country.

I'm sorry that you lost classmates and friends to Vietnam. Our government's treatment of its armed forces and veterans is shameful. Their wives have to live on food stamps and welfare while the men are stationed overseas (or vice versa), and then the government denies illness from Agent Orange and other chemicals that our troops were exposed to, and denied PTSD claims for years.

I only know of one person from my high school that died in Viet Nam. He was a year or two ahead of me, but I knew him. He was a great guy.

The first time I saw the movie "Platoon" in the theater, I was stunned as when the first soldier in their unit died I got this cold chill down my spine and I knew without a doubt that if I had gone to Vietnam, I too would have died.

Mike Z's avatar

Well done Bobber !!!!!! The true meaning of Memorial Day has been sadly left in the dust by many people as the new generations don't really understand the meaning of it.

Personally, my father served in WW II in Persia, where he worked in getting Lend-Lease supplies to the USSR. An uncle on my Mom's side of the family fought in the Philippines and was involved in the horrific battle for Manila. The only bright spot for him was that after helping a Filipino family evade the Japanese, they asked him to be godfather to their infant daughter. Roughly 30 years later, he was contacted by the family, who had emigrated to the US and never forgot him and invited to the marriage of his goddaughter in Chicago. The young lady was marrying US author and historian Forrest Bryant Johnson, who wrote the book "Hour of Redemption" about the rescue of American POWS in the Cabantuan prison camp on Luzon. The book was the basis for the 2005 movie "The Great Raid". He gave my uncle an autographed copy of his book, who passed it on to me. I still have it today.

Luckily, the friends I had who went to Vietnam made it back in one piece, unlike so many others.

Bobber's avatar

Great post, we all could write for hours about what happened while that Politician’s War? Vietnam was being fought.

People our age questioned why we were there, while our parents questioned our patriotic duty for asking why we were there.

They say the American Civil War was a war that pit brother against brother while the Vietnam War pit father vs son. It was an ugly time in American history and a heartbreaking time for many American families.

Mike Z's avatar

I attempted to enlist after TET, but was told I was medically unfit, a prospective heart issue, which ended up biting me on the ass in 2002, when I had the first of two heart attacks.

Craig Collins's avatar

No column today (May 28)????

David Wyatt-Hupton's avatar

With OTA’s starting today I'm going to publish one tomorrow and Friday instead 👍🏻

Craig Collins's avatar

Sorry, I totally missed your comment in Monday's newsletter that that was what was going to happen this week. Cheers!

David Wyatt-Hupton's avatar

No problem, I only decided this morning after looking at the schedule, and being knocked out by a sickness bug yesterday.

Craig Collins's avatar

Sorry that you were sick yesterday. I hope that you’re feeling much better today!

JetOrange's avatar

Watt’s numbers supports Eric replacing Michael Clemens

Craig Collins's avatar

David, thanks for your efforts on our behalf in not only bringing great content, stats that we might not otherwise see, and great writing, but also in trying different formats. I know that we all appreciate your efforts. I think that Substack's format on it's websites is somehwat clunky and inconsistent, and have not been impressed with their support, either, so I know that makes your job more difficult.

That said, I'm not a fan of today's format (you asked for feedback). I loved the format that your column has been in for a while. Today's format is very sterile and slick like the myriad of emails and advertisements I get. While it looks better than Substack's normal columns (I read several political columns on Substack) which are too crude looking, imo it's not as good as the format you've been using.

I do really like the new feature of looking at player performances from last season. I had no idea that Watts had the best run grade last season on the team. I hope that you'll keep this feature at least during this slow time of year for news!

The Tippman-Myers competition is interesting and surprising. I was shocked when the Jets signed Myers, but thought it was just for depth purposes. Myers' pass blocking grade is only marginally better due to Tippman's bad luck on such a high percentage of pressures winding up being sacks, but he gave up almost half again of the number of pressures that Tippman did. Further, Myer's run blocking grade is almost 30 points lower than Tippman's. With the Jets supposedly going to run the ball a lot, Iike you, I will be shocked if Myers winds up starting. IMO the only real reason he should be strongly considered as a potential starter is his familiarity with Fields from having started and played with Fields for two years at OSU, but that was 4-6 years ago. I'm sure that Fields has changed and developed some, and see no reason why Tippman can't develop that understanding. Maybe things might be a little smoother initially with Myers, as there may be subtle things that Myers can't enumerate, yet he instinctively does with Fields, but with his run blocking being so much worse than Tippman's and his pass blocking really not being better, I hope that Tippman wins the battle.

So was the tush push banned? If so, it figures that the NFL would conspire against the Jets to prevent them from benefitting from it.

I wish the Steelers would tell Rodgers to "suck it" and trade for Cousins. I'm sick of Rodgers' face and his narcissistic attitude. I read an article this week about how verbally abusive and manipulative he was with Danica Patrick. He's a true POS. I wish the NFL would ban his ass and he wouldn't make the HOF. I used to really like him, but no more.

Mike Z's avatar

I don't think that Joe Tippmann is in any real danger of being replaced by Myers, who would have to be the second coming of Jim Otto to supplant him. AG has said every position is up for competition, but I really don't see Tippman being replaced.

Douglas Hunt's avatar

I think Myers is more likely to replace Simpson than Tippman. Not a good sign that a lineman is taking a shot at the another starting mate on the line.

Craig Collins's avatar

Why do you think Simpson was taking a shot at Tippman? He just said that they were both battling their asses off. How is that a shot at Tippman?

Ron Alexander's avatar

Oh, well, I get it but let’s not overthink it. I get the impression this group is pretty tight. 👍

Douglas Hunt's avatar

Fair. But this kind of endorsement is not what you see from established lines on their way to domination. Clearly we tend to overread the tidbits we get though. Agree.

Ron Alexander's avatar

Douglas,Huh🤔I must have missed something? Who took a shot at who?

Douglas Hunt's avatar

Ron, I may have misinterpreted Simpson’s intend around his endorsement of Myers. But it came across to me as taking a shot at Tippman because rarely do starting linemates endorse a backup that strongly.

Craig Collins's avatar

What endorsement? Did I miss something? All I saw was that he said that Tippman and Myers were battling their asses off. IMO that's hardly a shot at or an endorsement of one over the other. It was a compliment to both, or just statement of fact.

Douglas Hunt's avatar

Just reading Jets article from Nick Faria, which makes it sound like starting center job up for grabs…

“As the team’s starting left guard, Simpson will be working hand-in-hand with whichever center ends up being the starter.

And as things stand right now, he seems to be comfortable with the veteran in Myers or the young buck in Tippmann.”

Douglas Hunt's avatar

Faria released an entire article on the position battle last night…. I don’t know this writer. He may just be stirring things up but I don’t think so. Tippman seems very solid and getting better every year.

Mike Z's avatar

That makes absolutely no sense.